(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Opie]

Interesting...just got info that the Subaru U.S. Field service engineers have been scheduled training on the CB18 engine that has been recently EPA certified for 2 unnamed 2022 models. Likely the return of the Forester XT and possibly the BRZ.

Looking for secondary confirmation...

[chaoskaze]

@ichtaka say something /poke

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by Opie

Interesting...just got info that the Subaru U.S. Field service engineers have been scheduled training on the CB18 engine that has been recently EPA certified for 2 unnamed 2022 models. Likely the return of the Forester XT and possibly the BRZ.

Looking for secondary confirmation...

If they place it into the Forester, I would think they would also do the same for the outback/legacy, no?

EDIT: I guess I forgot that Forester was the only one left without a turbo, so nevermind.

[Sasquachulator]

So the CB18 is a 1.8L 175hp/221 tq. turbo flat 4.....
Introduced on the new Subaru Levorg.

What would be the ideal applications for this motor?

[dpfarr]

Destined for the Crosstrek.

[mazeroni]

Probably anything that currently uses a 2.0 would make sense in all but the most budget trims of the Impreza and Crosstrek. Every journalist complains about Subaru's 2.0 being woefully underwhelming, especially in the Crosstrek, which at 3,200 lbs, only has 152hp.

Given the torque figure, it would even make sense to replace the FB25, especially if they could tune it closer to 190~200 in heavier applications. That would leave them with 2 engines in North America if they completely phase out the FA20, which it looks like they might if the new WRX and 86/BRZ are going to the FA24 (in turbo and non-turbo form). From an engineering standpoint, simplifiying your powertrain offerings makes sense as they push towards EVs.

[Vides990]

Not directly brz related but interesting subaru clickbait

https://www.torquenews.com/1084/new-...big-move-turbo

The report says both the Crosstrek and Impreza will be powered by a new 1.5-liter direct-injection turbocharged Boxer engine that will replace the current FB20 2.0-liter naturally-aspirated engine. The new engine will be more fuel-efficient and produce at least the same power (152 horsepower) as the current engine.

The report says Subaru Corporation is upgrading 80 percent of its global models with smaller direct-injection turbocharged Boxer engines by 2021. It's all part of Subaru's Vision 2020 plan, saying they would develop smaller turbocharged engines for its all-wheel-drive lineup.

Subaru will drop the 6-speed manual gearbox

Subaru will offer all trims with standard EyeSight driver assist technology.

[saltywetman]

i'd much rather toyota put in the 3cyl engine from the GR yaris that is destined for a shitty north american GR corolla than a subie engine but itll never happen

[86MLR]

I've heard that we are not getting any new twin variants because Toyota is pushing the Yaris GR in AU as the new "sports car".

My take on this is WTF.

The only thing I dislike more that AWD is FWD.

Meh

[alone1i]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

I've heard that we are not getting any new twin variants because Toyota is pushing the Yaris GR in AU as the new "sports car".

My take on this is WTF.

The only thing I dislike more that AWD is FWD.

Meh

Any chance we can get 2.0 Supra in AUS/NZ?

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by alone1i

Any chance we can get 2.0 Supra in AUS/NZ?

I would say once the twins are extinct we may, but meh, I don't like/trust BMW long term reliability so I would never own a Zupra anyway.

[nikitopo]

Hmm.. some people started talking and in fact blaming Subaru about quality issues. For example the front bumper gap issue that Subaru didn't manage to solve after 7 years and the paint quality in certain models. Is this maybe a first sign that the 2nd generation is not coming after all?

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Hmm.. some people started talking and in fact blaming Subaru about quality issues. For example the front bumper gap issue that Subaru didn't manage to solve after 7 years and the paint quality in certain models. Is this maybe a first sign that the 2nd generation is not coming after all?

Blasphemy!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Hmm.. some people started talking and in fact blaming Subaru about quality issues. For example the front bumper gap issue that Subaru didn't manage to solve after 7 years and the paint quality in certain models. Is this maybe a first sign that the 2nd generation is not coming after all?

Not sure how you come to this conclusion?
The quality “issues” are more indicative of the price point than anything else.
Things like the bumper sag show up more for people that put it on and off to mod. There were not many reports of later models having it at all even then.
The paint is the result of them not upgrading their application system when the VOC changes came out in 2011. It isn’t restricted to the Twins since they paint other vehicles in the same manner.