Toyota GR Yaris

[Galerion]

Ah something I forgot to mention. It was a bit obvious before but I really noticed it when I took a seat and looked around. Visibility was sacrificed in the name of sportiness and looks. The car does have some relatively big blind spots. You won't really see much if anything on your back right for example. The rear window is also tiny. If you take a look at your rear-view mirror you will only see out with the half of it. The rest will just show you the sloping roof.
I don't mind it personally. As a matter of fact I actually really like it this way but I thought it was good to mention anyway. I know that there are people who dislike the visibility aspect of the current Camaro for example.

Also I just might as well post the pictures I took. Im not a good photographer and I was busy with seeing things with my own eyes so they aren't the best. Also what I said is still true. Pictures just can't quite capture the presence or aura that is has in the flesh.

[Galerion]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

It won't be anything like the Yaris, including yes, no AWD, hence the not equal sign: =/=

I wouldn't go that far. Toyota spent a lot of R&D for the engine and AWD system and opening up a new production line and they will never recoup those costs with the Yaris alone. So im pretty sure the Corolla or whatever the next GR car is will end up with the same engine and AWD system.

Now still I don't think those cars will be as special as the Yaris because they probably won't use aluminium and carbon fiber like the Yaris does and will be heavier and bigger so they will be slower and not as agile. A lot of things about the Yaris came to be because of racing after all. The potential other GR cars won't have that.

[Irace86.2.0]

The visibility out the rear isn’t really an issue in rally racing. Cars will pass other cars, but it is a staggered time trial. Just saying.

The GR Corolla will probably get a turbocharged 2.0 I4. That is all anyone is reporting/speculating. AWD with open diffs could happen. Think WRX—not STI.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The visibility out the rear isn’t really an issue in rally racing. Cars will pass other cars, but it is a staggered time trial. Just saying.

The GR Corolla will probably get a turbocharged 2.0 I4. That is all anyone is reporting/speculating. AWD with open diffs could happen. Think WRX—not STI.

The one in the current IS300 that makes less horsepower/torque than the 1.6L I3? The only 2.0L turbocharged engine they make?

I guess they could tune the 8AR to make modern horsepower, actually make this thing a Type R or STI competitor, but that's a lot more effort then just shipping the design that's already complete, doubt they'd save/make any more money then the Yaris GR would.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

The one in the current IS300 that makes less horsepower/torque than the 1.6L I3? The only 2.0L turbocharged engine they make?

I guess they could tune the 8AR to make modern horsepower, actually make this thing a Type R or STI competitor, but that's a lot more effort then just shipping the design that's already complete, doubt they'd save/make any more money then the Yaris GR would.

Yeah whatever is in there it’ll be a half ass attempt to steal some notoriety from the GR Yaris without any of the actually gusto.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Galerion

Ah something I forgot to mention. It was a bit obvious before but I really noticed it when I took a seat and looked around. Visibility was sacrificed in the name of sportiness and looks. The car does have some relatively big blind spots. You won't really see much if anything on your back right for example. The rear window is also tiny. If you take a look at your rear-view mirror you will only see out with the half of it. The rest will just show you the sloping roof.
I don't mind it personally. As a matter of fact I actually really like it this way but I thought it was good to mention anyway. I know that there are people who dislike the visibility aspect of the current Camaro for example.

Also I just might as well post the pictures I took. Im not a good photographer and I was busy with seeing things with my own eyes so they aren't the best. Also what I said is still true. Pictures just can't quite capture the presence or aura that is has in the flesh.

[pics]

Dang, that white is such a great color on that car.

The red one I saw in Osaka back in February looked great, but I think it hid the car's lines a bit more.

[why?]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

The Corolla GR is coming to the States...

and like always Toyota USA will probably take absolutely everything out of it that made it an interesting fun car. There is a reason it takes a direct order from the CEO of Toyota to get the USA any cars that are actually fun to drive.

[Irace86.2.0]

Exactly. Probably a detuned version of some turbo engine, open diff FWD/AWD, no lightweight components, lots of fake vents.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by why?

and like always Toyota USA will probably take absolutely everything out of it that made it an interesting fun car. There is a reason it takes a direct order from the CEO of Toyota to get the USA any cars that are actually fun to drive.

Toyota USA still doesn't sell any performance-related parts for the 86 (and A90 for that matter) either. Last time I was in a major regional dealer (Milpitas) IIRC the most they had were steering wheel or seat covers and other comfort bits. That's it. You're lucky if maybe they carry a different shift knob.

I've said it before on the forums and I'll say it again, until Toyota USA decides to do at least a partial approximation of the GR Garage dealer shop in Japan, they won't be able to prove they care about their performance portfolio here.

As mentioned previously, at GR Garages you can find the high-spec showroom cars like the GRMN 86, TRD coilover and BBK systems running thousands of dollars, other suspension/alignment bits, aftermarket exhausts and suspension bits, etc. Special gauge pods you put in the passenger dash panel, etc.

The mindset is totally different there, and it shows here. We may get the GR Corolla but fat chance that it's anything remotely like what Japan and literally every other Toyota sales region are getting.

Edit:

And FWIW when I visited and made friends with the 86/BRZ groups there I told them all about this and they couldn't believe it. Performance vehicles there are considered their own segment with its own culture. Even the salesman who would've let me test drive the new A90 (91?) 4-cyl Supra earlier this year (if I hadn't forgotten my IDP at the hotel: () couldn't believe that the USA Toyota dealers don't sell or market performance parts. They have fancy catalogs (a couple of which he gave me and make cool souvenirs). Good luck finding anything like that in the US.

[strat61caster]

+1 Toyota dealers suck, they just want to sell Prius and Camry off the lot to whoever wanders in and can pass a credit check then just do overpriced oil changes and tire rotations until they die.

That being said, I'm warming up to the idea of a warmed over Corolla, if they can get ~260 hp into it, a torsen diff, tweak the suspension with better damping, get the price <$29k I think they have a viable FoST replacement that would be an Si/GTI/WRX/Veloster N fighter. Doubt I'd buy it, but I'd be interested in driving it and appreciative of it's existence. Moreso with the I3 but a tune on the 8AR would probably be fine and more sensible for US markets.

I don't think they could make the Corolla a ~$35k TypeR/STI/GolfR fighter, maybe if they could crank the hp to >300 and get the AWD in there and keep it under 3,300 lbs but that's a tall order. And for my money I'd take the lighter Yaris any day of the week.

[JD001]

Some different aftermarket wheels options...


https://www.instagram.com/p/CFe3ZgiD...=1hpi2nhtew9uu

[Dirty Harry]

Guess it’s a pretty good deal here, a journalist from the same publication was one of the first 1000 to order one.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/886734/...rending&slot=0

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Guess it’s a pretty good deal here, a journalist from the same publication was one of the first 1000 to order one.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/886734/...rending&slot=0

"I'm glad I took the plunge too, as within the first day, 560 of the 1000 launch cars had been ordered in total. In fact, a quarter of the volume that Toyota initially conceded to likely last 12-18 months, sold in just 30 minutes."

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

"I'm glad I took the plunge too, as within the first day, 560 of the 1000 launch cars had been ordered in total. In fact, a quarter of the volume that Toyota initially conceded to likely last 12-18 months, sold in just 30 minutes."

Yeah I kind of have a bit of FOMO not getting one myself lol. They’re definitely pretty cool, light weight, AWD, 200KW. They do have a lot going for them.