Perfect amount of power?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Thefalls

The perfect amount of power is the amount you can readily use without reaching your limitation as a human/driver.

The moment you cant exploit all the horses you got, thats the no go zone.

Or end up in prison.
Or have a $2000 a month insurance bill.
Or lose your license.
Or kill yourself or somebody else.


If we are talking track or strip cars then there is no limit. Street cars just simply do not need massive numbers. I am truly baffled as the where people get to drive cars with over 300 hp that they can even remotely start to use that power.

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or end up in prison.
Or have a $2000 a month insurance bill.
Or lose your license.
Or kill yourself or somebody else.


If we are talking track or strip cars then there is no limit. Street cars just simply do not need massive numbers. I am truly baffled as the where people get to drive cars with over 300 hp that they can even remotely start to use that power.

This is auto-socialism!

Don't believe tcoat people ... get all the power you can, traffic will regulate your speed just like market regulates economy in a capitalist system.

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If we are talking track or strip cars then there is no limit. Street cars just simply do not need massive numbers. I am truly baffled as the where people get to drive cars with over 300 hp that they can even remotely start to use that power.

I have owned several cars that had 500hp or more from the factory. Most of them have extensive nannies that dull the driving dynamics to lower the chances of killing yourself. Without these nannies there is no way you can use the car's potential on the street without being a danger to yourself or others.

IMHO the twins are more engaging and fun to drive on the street. The race track is a different matter, but "it costs money to go fast" and ceramic brake jobs and good tires are not cheap! I no longer need to impress anyone and I am so over $2000 routine services...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nextcar

I have owned several cars that had 500hp or more from the factory. Most of them have extensive nannies that dull the driving dynamics to lower the chances of killing yourself. Without these nannies there is no way you can use the car's potential on the street without being a danger to yourself or others.

IMHO the twins are more engaging and fun to drive on the street. The race track is a different matter, but "it costs money to go fast" and ceramic brake jobs and good tires are not cheap! I no longer need to impress anyone and I am so over $2000 routine services...

I had a 600HP talon AWD. Under many weather conditions it was almost undrivable on the streets. The times I could even remotely open it up on the streets were extremely rare so it was driven around at about 10% of it's capacity 99.99% of the time.

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I had a 600HP talon AWD. Under many weather conditions it was almost undrivable on the streets. The times I could even remotely open it up on the streets were extremely rare so it was driven around at about 10% of it's capacity 99.99% of the time.

I had a friend who drove his 2002 WRX for a year before paying out about $9,000 for a built engine, rotated GTX3071r setup, etc. Made about 440WHP.
Within a week he smashed another car because he was trying to show off with friends in car, gave it the beans, and couldn't slow down enough with those tiny brakes to avoid rear-ending a car that was slowing down for traffic.

I agree that more than 400 on a street car is too much for most people, and also terribly frustrating to try and limit when you're on narrow winding roads.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or end up in prison.
Or have a $2000 a month insurance bill.
Or lose your license.
Or kill yourself or somebody else.


If we are talking track or strip cars then there is no limit. Street cars just simply do not need massive numbers. I am truly baffled as the where people get to drive cars with over 300 hp that they can even remotely start to use that power.

Every time I merge on to the highway. It's a glorious 30-70mph!

Modern tires have changed the game a lot.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Every time I merge on to the highway. It's a glorious 30-70mph!

Ah, yes, the 2 seconds thrill. Kinda like some other activity that peaks at a second or two... Moving from my FoST (250HP/270TQ) to the BRZ was a joy - I now had a usable 1st gear and I could happily wring 2nd and 3rd and still be in legal speeds. Can't imagine how it would feel with 400-500 HP. I'll take a short geared low HP car over a tall geared high HP car for street driving. The Twins are a perfect example of that.
So the answer for the question for me is - stock power is perfect!

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Ah, yes, the 2 seconds thrill. Kinda like some other activity that peaks at a second or two... Moving from my FoST (250HP/270TQ) to the BRZ was a joy - I now had a usable 1st gear and I could happily wring 2nd and 3rd and still be in legal speeds. Can't imagine how it would feel with 400-500 HP. I'll take a short geared low HP car over a tall geared high HP car for street driving. The Twins are a perfect example of that.
So the answer for the question for me is - stock power is perfect!

What if... it's a short geared high HP car?

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

What if... it's a short geared high HP car?

but in seriousness, that goes back to the usable gears - even if you had enough traction (AWD and sticky rubber) you won't be able to "enjoy" the low gears - they'd fly by way too fast. I much prefer the feeling of speed to the actual thing. Slow car fast rules!

[RToyo86]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or end up in prison.
Or have a $2000 a month insurance bill.
Or lose your license.
Or kill yourself or somebody else.


If we are talking track or strip cars then there is no limit. Street cars just simply do not need massive numbers. I am truly baffled as the where people get to drive cars with over 300 hp that they can even remotely start to use that power.

I see them on the side of the highway waiting for the flatbed to show up. The police around here aren't fucking around anymore.

[RToyo86]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I had a 600HP talon AWD. Under many weather conditions it was almost undrivable on the streets. The times I could even remotely open it up on the streets were extremely rare so it was driven around at about 10% of it's capacity 99.99% of the time.

Did your crank walk away too?

My father had a 93 laser RS. I loved that car but god damn it was a money pit.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by RToyo86

Did your crank walk away too?

My father had a 93 laser RS. I loved that car but god damn it was a money pit.

never miss a chance.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by RToyo86

I see them on the side of the highway waiting for the flatbed to show up. The police around here aren't fucking around anymore.

They were nailing them like crazy on the 401 during the lock down. Saw 5 or 6 a week getting loaded up for a while there.

Originally Posted by RToyo86

Did your crank walk away too?

My father had a 93 laser RS. I loved that car but god damn it was a money pit.

Nope no matter what I did to it the crank stayed rock solid.

but...

When they said to change the timing belt at 100,000 miles they meant it.
I figured I was smarter than the engineers and the belt could last another 20,000 easy.
It didn't.
It blew up doing 20MPH and not even under boost.
That day I learned exactly what they meant by the term "interference" engine.
There were parts of the head in the cylinder.
There were parts of the piston embedded in the head
There were parts of valves embedded in everything.
The whole section of head and valve seats for cylinder two just ceased to exist in this plane and moved onto a greater realm someplace.

[RToyo86]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

They were nailing them like crazy on the 401 during the lock down. Saw 5 or 6 a week getting loaded up for a while there.


Nope no matter what I did to it the crank stayed rock solid.

but...

When they said to change the timing belt at 100,000 miles they meant it.
I figured I was smarter than the engineers and the belt could last another 20,000 easy.
It didn't.
It blew up doing 20MPH and not even under boost.
That day I learned exactly what they meant by the term "interference" engine.
There were parts of the head in the cylinder.
There were parts of the piston embedded in the head
There were parts of valves embedded in everything.
The whole section of head and valve seats for cylinder two just ceased to exist in this plane and moved onto a greater realm someplace.

You were one of the lucky ones. but.. If it is going to fail then it may as well fail in spectacular fashion.

If memory serves me correctly the older 6 bolt blocks were sturdier than the later 7 bolt variant. Not that it would matter if a belt goes.

I wouldn't mind buying a clean one if that even exists around here these days.