Toyota GR Yaris

[Guru Woodman]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It doesn't say that.
In fact I am not sure what they are saying really.

"While GR Yaris isn't coming to the U.S., perhaps it's time the U.S. got a Toyota hot hatch to call its own."

My guess would be a GR Corolla hatch version, exclusively for the North America market.
There is a (hybrid) Euro GR Corolla hatch, which is not much more than a mildly spiced up normal hatch.
Maybe the NA GR Corolla will have version of the hot 3 cylinder Yaris engine, although I doubt they will offer it in AWD.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

I'd go either way. Well, define really, really. I'd prefer cheap. More fun that way.

Well, typically a four seater (not 2+2) that is AWD with a turbocharged engine that can handle some power that is built tough is not light. At least it is not 2800lbs light.

The dimensions are actually similar to the 86, yet it adds a turbocharger system, front axles, front diff and haldex-like clutch pack, and the 86 is pretty cheap over-all, right? The 86 is also not equipped with the power this car has. In order to make it light, it must use expensive parts like carbon fiber and aluminum, or it must be really tinny and cheap.

GR Yaris

WB: 100.8''
Length: 157.3''
Width: 71.1''
Height: 57.5''

BRZ

WB: 101.2''
Length: 167''
Width: 70''
Height: 51''

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/6-t...yota-gr-yaris/

The fresh bodywork includes a carbonfibre-reinforced plastic roof, plus a bonnet, boot lid and doors made from aluminium. It’s opening the doors and the boot where you really get a sense of how light the GR Yaris is - it feels like there’s nothing to them. The bumpers are thin too - you can flex the plastic with a light press.

It seems like they went cheap, and they went expensive. This is a homologation car, which is why we are seeing such an odd conglomeration of expensive and cheap parts.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It doesn't say that.
In fact I am not sure what they are saying really.

"While GR Yaris isn't coming to the U.S., perhaps it's time the U.S. got a Toyota hot hatch to call its own."

True, but I'd like to have hope. Hope that even a GR Corolla could come here.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by weederr33

True, but I'd like to have hope. Hope that even a GR Corolla could come here.

I’m afraid it will be just be a GTI competitor and not anywhere near the GR Yaris.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Guess Toyota is letting us vote out thoughts on bringing a GR hatch to the US. Might as well sign away!

https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/gr-hot-hatch/

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I’m afraid it will be just be a GTI competitor and not anywhere near the GR Yaris.

We need a good GTI competitor now that the focus ST is gone. Without competition the segment will cease to innovate. Look at the STI since Mitsubishi pulled out.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I’m afraid it will be just be a GTI competitor and not anywhere near the GR Yaris.

Who cares? Its something new. At least it's not some revived named turned into a CUV or SUV. I'm fine with no GR Yaris, but anything sporty and new from Toyota is a win in my books.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Correlation does not imply causation.

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

I know that. It's just the way it plays out. I'm implementing hyperbole to make it seem more funny.

I know it's not that guy's fault.

I'm gonna write that guy a strongly worded letter.

Honestly I still think about this car all the time. I don't think about the Corolla at all. It's fine, I'm glad it'll be another option. It's just not for me (probably).

By the time the GR Yaris is out maybe air travel will be safe again and I'll do another Scotland trip and drive one.

- Andrew

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

We need a good GTI competitor now that the focus ST is gone. Without competition the segment will cease to innovate. Look at the STI since Mitsubishi pulled out.

Subaru and Mitsubishi have been out of WRC for over ten years. When did an Evo win last? I’m surprised Subaru still sells the STI. As good as it is, how much further could they take it without bloating the price? Do they need to?

The segment just borrows a turbocharged engine and plops that in the car. Innovation isn’t really there, as much as, gradual progression of value. That I’ll give you.

Originally Posted by weederr33

Who cares? Its something new. At least it's not some revived named turned into a CUV or SUV. I'm fine with no GR Yaris, but anything sporty and new from Toyota is a win in my books.

Yeah, it’ll be like having a SI Civic or GTI. Better than nothing. I’m sure people will cheer when it gets here like they did with the 86 because it’s better than nothing and something new then they will complain how the GR Yaris is better, the CTR is better, the etc is better, or how it needs this or that like they do with the 86, or how we never get the good version of stuff like the Silvia, Skyline, GR Yaris, etc.

I’m just skipping ahead.

[Goingnowherefast]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

We need a good GTI competitor now that the focus ST is gone. Without competition the segment will cease to innovate. Look at the STI since Mitsubishi pulled out.

Is the Veloster N not that?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Goingnowherefast

Is the Veloster N not that?

Fair, but it suffers from its badge, and it's so forgettable. The Golf has a ton of character. The Veloster has not much memorable except for an uneven amount of doors. It does everything really well, but it just isn't interesting.

[Irace86.2.0]

It is hard to say how a hot hatch Corolla will do. In general, 5 door hatches seem to be on the decline in favor of small crossovers/suvs like sedans.

The GTI outsold the base Golf 3 to 1, but I think that is because most people would rather buy a larger compact-sedan than a compact-hatch, and when someone does want a hatch, they tend to want a hot hatch. Maybe performance oriented buyers understand that the hatch is inherently a better platform than a crossover, and the utility oriented buyers understand that the crossover is inherently a better platform than a hatch (not always for storage, but just for doing it all, has AWD as an option, sometimes more upright seating position, taller view of the road, easier for off-roading, easier step in height, etc)

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/03/...mor-gti-sales/

This theory is backed up by this statistic about manual transmission sales, which the theory is that manual transmission buyers want a sportier car, ergo, the fact that the hatches sold many more manual transmissions than the sedans mean hatches might sell better as hot hatches:

The take rate for the manual Corolla hatch is just 15 percent. If you expand the sales to include the Corolla sedan, then the numbers drop to less than one per cent.

With that said, Toyota sells a lot of hatches (before getting into crossovers) such as the Corolla, Yaris and Prius, so not all hatches might sell better as hot hatches, if you follow me.

https://driving.ca/toyota/auto-news/...actually-sells

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

It is hard to say how a hot hatch Corolla will do. In general, 5 door hatches seem to be on the decline in favor of small crossovers/suvs like sedans.

The GTI outsold the base Golf 3 to 1, but I think that is because most people would rather buy a larger compact-sedan than a compact-hatch, and when someone does want a hatch, they tend to want a hot hatch. Maybe performance oriented buyers understand that the hatch is inherently a better platform than a crossover, and the utility oriented buyers understand that the crossover is inherently a better platform than a hatch (not always for storage, but just for doing it all, has AWD as an option, sometimes more upright seating position, taller view of the road, easier for off-roading, easier step in height, etc)

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/03/...mor-gti-sales/

This theory is backed up by this statistic about manual transmission sales, which the theory is that manual transmission buyers want a sportier car, ergo, the fact that the hatches sold many more manual transmissions than the sedans mean hatches might sell better as hot hatches:



With that said, Toyota sells a lot of hatches (before getting into crossovers) such as the Corolla, Yaris and Prius, so not all hatches might sell better as hot hatches, if you follow me.

https://driving.ca/toyota/auto-news/...actually-sells

I could see the Veloster N not getting much appeal because it's Hyundai. But we haven't see a 'hot' version of a Corolla since the old XRS. And I'm mostly referring to the XRS with the zingy 2ZZ-GE from the Celica. I mean, that's why the GR Yaris or a GR Corolla is so appealing to me over a GTI, Golf R or Veloster.

[Yoshoobaroo]

I'm afraid that, in order to sell, a GR Corolla would have to be better than the GTI in every way.
And it probably wouldn't be.