2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Well to be fair the Miata's scope is pretty much the same as it always has been, and its an economy car for all intents and purposes.

While Porsche seems to go more and more tech/lux heavy as its perceived as not just a sports car brand, but a lux brand.

I will add that it would be great if somebody showed me the crash test results for a Miata.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I will add that it would be great if somebody showed me the crash test results for a Miata.

This, so much this.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And exactly what Miata weighs the same now as 30 years ago?
Went from 2100 pounds to 2340 pounds. This is about the same percentage increase that every other car in production for the period went through.

Somehow the later generation NA Miatas weight just under 2300lb, so that was the one I'm thinking of. I have no doubt the 2100 lb quoted weight excludes power steering, ABS, LSD, more than 2 speaker stereo, AC. Whereas the ND includes all those items.

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

This, so much this.

So much this? That a joke? A lighter smaller car will always be less safe than a heavier larger car. But sports cars are sports cars, not purchased for being bank vaults.

Nobody buys a 2800 lb car to be safe. If that was someone's primary concern then they would buy a 4000 lb CUV. All modern vehicles sold in 2020, even the ones with 1 star crash ratings, are ridiculously safe.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Somehow the later generation NA Miatas weight just under 2300lb, so that was the one I'm thinking of. I have no doubt the 2100 lb quoted weight excludes power steering, ABS, LSD, more than 2 speaker stereo, AC. Whereas the ND includes all those items.



So much this? That a joke? A lighter smaller car will always be less safe than a heavier larger car. But sports cars are sports cars, not purchased for being bank vaults.

Nobody buys a 2800 lb car to be safe. If that was someone's primary concern then they would buy a 4000 lb CUV. All modern vehicles sold in 2020, even the ones with 1 star crash ratings, are ridiculously safe.

Nobody buys them to be safe may be a bit of a blanket statement but the point remains that one of the ways the Miata was kept lighter is that they are that much less safe. Whether it is an acceptable risk to the buyers is not relevant to the fact that they are not even rated.

[WolfpackS2k]

No doubt about that with the NA Miata. Photos of those cars after they flip are not pleasant sights!

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

So much this? That a joke? A lighter smaller car will always be less safe than a heavier larger car. But sports cars are sports cars, not purchased for being bank vaults.

Nobody buys a 2800 lb car to be safe. If that was someone's primary concern then they would buy a 4000 lb CUV. All modern vehicles sold in 2020, even the ones with 1 star crash ratings, are ridiculously safe.

I personally would only consider buying cars that at least have a decent rating.



That's also one hell of an opinion. So no one is buying 2020 Civics because they are safe, while also being reliable, 4 door etc? No, not one person buys a Civic because of a safety rating, people only buy them because Vtec bro(which is gone). Even the 86 has a good safety rating, and this WILL definitely affect potential buyers when looking at this car.



And in what world would a sane person consider a 1 star crash rating vehicle as "ridiculously safe"? What are you comparing that to? A 60's Impala, or something, virtually anything with a over waist ONLY seat belt, you know the ones that would cut people in half in an accident.


People are concerned with safety now, get over it.

[WolfpackS2k]

People are concerned with safety now, get over it.

Ah yes, unless they have to actually put forth effect to be safe themselves. Which they don't.

Most don't care. They're lazy.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

When will the Supra get a proper dual clutch transmission?

something i found on our sister site.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/fut...19x58td7.4776/

[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by gymratter

something i found on our sister site.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/fut...19x58td7.4776/

Just read through it.. possibly a new 7speed dual clutch in the works? One can dream. On another note, the current GT4 car unfortunately has an automatic transmission not a dual clutch.

[BA9092]

Seems like Toyota is positioning the Supra as the automotive iPhone; with vast improvements ensuing buyer's remorse on semi-annual basis with each forthcoming model.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by BA9092

Seems like Toyota is positioning the Supra as the automotive iPhone; with vast improvements ensuing buyer's remorse on semi-annual basis with each forthcoming model.

Welcome to the world of German cars.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

So Mazda, a company of limited means, can manage to keep the Miata the same size/weight as it was 30 years ago. But Porsche cannot with their 911?

Sorry, that's BS. Instead they're using the 911 to fill the gap that used to be done by the 911 + 928. If the 928 still existed the 911 wouldn't be so bloated.

To be fair, if the 928 still existed the 911 wouldn't exist today.

Porsche was going to kill it decades ago... but P-Car fans......

911 is so much larger because of safety and the Cayman/Boxster fill in the smaller size. And superior dynamics if you can get over not owning a 911

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

911 is so much larger because of safety and the Cayman/Boxster fill in the smaller size. And superior dynamics if you can get over not owning a 911

The Miata has to meet safety regs too, and it's barely 100 lb. heavier than when the 1990 NA was introduced. Likewise the FT86 is precisely a modern S13 240SX, and weighs barely if any more. Meanwhile a modern 911 is visibly MUCH bulkier than a 1990 and is 400-500 lb. heavier. I don't think it got there because "safety". It got there by becoming a much bigger and more luxurious car.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by ZDan

The Miata has to meet safety regs too, and it's barely 100 lb. heavier than when the 1990 NA was introduced. Likewise the FT86 is precisely a modern S13 240SX, and weighs barely if any more. Meanwhile a modern 911 is visibly MUCH bulkier than a 1990 and is 400-500 lb. heavier. I don't think it got there because "safety". It got there by becoming a much bigger and more luxurious car.

I think, it's both safety AND luxury that adds Posche's weight. Miata & 86 are both lightweight cars... but if you compared stock performance, they don't come near 911 (also price tag lol). To perform in top performance, it need chassis reinforcement, suspension, engine, transmission engineering needing to be more advance and required to be advance to keep driver and passenger safely on the road. Can't be like Mustang or other Muscle cars just adding power and put Brembos and call it good (add Mustang meme here lol). Now, cuz of price tag, there's always rich ppl wanting luxury shit on sports car. Which adding pointless stuff making it heavier than it need.