2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

I got an email from Toyota trying to sell me one.

I got the same one.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I know there was one said to be in a garage in Atlanta someplace. Saw it in a Youtube about abandoned tech at some point.

Edit: That was easy https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...parking-garage

some of the articles on that say it's at the university parking garage. a bunch of the ev1's were donated to universities for further education, to be scrapped once the universities were done with them though.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by soundman98

some of the articles on that say it's at the university parking garage. a bunch of the ev1's were donated to universities for further education, to be scrapped once the universities were done with them though.

Ya it said 40 in that one. Bet there are at least a couple more hidden away. It also said that the batteries and motors had been stripped out of all of them so not sure what value they even had for the schools.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ya it said 40 in that one. Bet there are at least a couple more hidden away. It also said that the batteries and motors had been stripped out of all of them so not sure what value they even had for the schools.

i vaguely recall that as well. but even with the batteries and motors, almost none of the tech is applicable in any scenario. the only way it makes sense is that it was done for a tax write-off.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

Somewhat agree, but mostly disagree here.

If there is a silver lining to this, it's that Toyota is now producing MKIV Supra parts again, which can only be a good thing. Even the TRD bodykit for that car was brought back.

However, the difference between the Supra and the 86 is that the latter was made as a standalone car despite its roots. If this were a standalone car, there probably would not have been as much outrage. @Dadhawk put it best - the Supra name carries too much weight and should have been reserved for a car Toyota made themselves, and if that meant no Supra, so be it.

I would even go as far as to say that the 86 is far more of a Toyota than the Supra (what part of the Supra, besides exterior, badging, and possibly suspension, is actually from Toyota, and why would Subaru sell a car that is RWD?). The point here is that the car that received the Supra nameplate is nothing more than a rebadged BMW with suspension tweaks, which gives off the impression that Toyota made little to no effort in bringing back the Supra.

I will say this - I have no opinion of the actual car itself, as I have never driven one. I don't feel I should be as quick to judge the car because of the nameplate it carries. Contrary to what most people think a Supra should be, it's not supposed to be a high-horsepower dyno breaking monster - it's supposed to be a GT car that drives really well and can go against the best of them in its class. This car performs just as well if not better than its predecessors - and even then, like the MKIV before it, is still capable of high horsepower (albeit not as high, but high enough).

This car has its place - it's just that Toyota deserves little, if any, credit for bringing this car to their lineup.

This has to be one of the worst takes I've ever read on this forum. It's like you decided to compare apples to apples and decided to call one an orange.

1-How is the 86 a 'standalone' car and the Supra isn't? Makes no sense at all. based on your flawed logic, neither car is a standalone car if anything.

2-Neither the 86 or Supra would exist unless Toyota decided they wanted to develop and produce either. Subaru hated the idea of the 86 and fought it tooth and nail. BMW killed the Z4 and had no plans to bring it back cuz it was a money loser. BMW approached Toyota about the idea of a joint project, not the other way around, and Toyota decided what marque they wanted to build. Let's see, BMW has the best history of producing inline-6s, I wonder what we should make?? Duh...

3-Toyota developed the idea of a lighter weight tail happy RWD coupe with low CoG for the 86, not Subaru. Toyota once again came up with a boosted I-6 that would overachieve in straight lines for the money and also on the track with a super stiff chassis equal to the LFA and hardpoints dictated by their golden handling ratio. That's Toyota development, not BMW. Their M cars don't follow any of these philosophies. Even BMW admitted they don't make 'sports cars'. They make pedestrian looking GT coupes and sedans tweaked to go faster than others that do the same thing.

4-Neither the Z4 or Supra are 'made' by BMW. They are made in Austria by Magna. As for BMW logo'd parts, well, do you want to be able to afford a Supra or don't you? Really simple math. I find it ironic the same people who complain about the more upscale BMW'ish interior are more usually the same people who would complain about a 'cheaper' feeling Toyota interior and dump all over it. No win scenario. Gee, which would you rather have in a $50k sportscar that you would want to drive across the country? Haters gonna hate and Toyota should really ignore them.

5-So you say you want a pure Japanese Supra? The Supra represents the pinnacle or 'flagship' of the Toyota brand? Go buy an LC, LFA or the Le Mans GR for 3x's to 20x's the price of a basic Supra and put a 'Supra' sticker on it. Guess what. Not one of the so called Supra 'purists' has the money or intent of doing just that. It's all hot-air.

So all the haters feel free to drop a deposit on a real Toyota 'flagship' and refi your house, if you even own one, and leave the rest of us that appreciate what Toyota is trying to make accessible to the car enthusiast community. Or just buy one of those unicorn '$60k' C8 corvettes that will actually cost you $80k-$85k and go be happy so the rest of us can stop hearing all the repetitive nonsense.

Or just wait 5-7 years so you can have your 'standalone' purist Supra with a Mazda inline-6 instead. The one that will prob have an RX-9 badge on it. Go start that thread and get a head start on all the hate!

If you think no Supra at all is better than having this Supra, we have nothing to say to each other. That's just absurd. You should prob take down that Fast and Furious poster and disassemble your shrine to Paul Walker and move on from high school.

[abraxis]

In other real world news:

4 banger Supra at 317xish lbs
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...a-photos-info/

430hp race spec at 297xish lbs
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...-on-sale-date/

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by abraxis

This has to be one of the worst takes I've ever read on this forum. It's like you decided to compare apples to apples and decided to call one an orange.

1-How is the 86 a 'standalone' car and the Supra isn't? Makes no sense at all. based on your flawed logic, neither car is a standalone car if anything.


2-Neither the 86 or Supra would exist unless Toyota decided they wanted to develop and produce either. Subaru hated the idea of the 86 and fought it tooth and nail. BMW killed the Z4 and had no plans to bring it back cuz it was a money loser. BMW approached Toyota about the idea of a joint project, not the other way around, and Toyota decided what marque they wanted to build. Let's see, BMW has the best history of producing inline-6s, I wonder what we should make?? Duh...

3-Toyota developed the idea of a lighter weight tail happy RWD coupe with low CoG for the 86, not Subaru. Toyota once again came up with a boosted I-6 that would overachieve in straight lines for the money and also on the track with a super stiff chassis equal to the LFA and hardpoints dictated by their golden handling ratio. That's Toyota development, not BMW. Their M cars don't follow any of these philosophies. Even BMW admitted they don't make 'sports cars'. They make pedestrian looking GT coupes and sedans tweaked to go faster than others that do the same thing.

4-Neither the Z4 or Supra are 'made' by BMW. They are made in Austria by Magna. As for BMW logo'd parts, well, do you want to be able to afford a Supra or don't you? Really simple math. I find it ironic the same people who complain about the more upscale BMW'ish interior are more usually the same people who would complain about a 'cheaper' feeling Toyota interior and dump all over it. No win scenario. Gee, which would you rather have in a $50k sportscar that you would want to drive across the country? Haters gonna hate and Toyota should really ignore them.

5-So you say you want a pure Japanese Supra? The Supra represents the pinnacle or 'flagship' of the Toyota brand? Go buy an LC, LFA or the Le Mans GR for 3x's to 20x's the price of a basic Supra and put a 'Supra' sticker on it. Guess what. Not one of the so called Supra 'purists' has the money or intent of doing just that. It's all hot-air.

So all the haters feel free to drop a deposit on a real Toyota 'flagship' and refi your house, if you even own one, and leave the rest of us that appreciate what Toyota is trying to make accessible to the car enthusiast community. Or just buy one of those unicorn '$60k' C8 corvettes that will actually cost you $80k-$85k and go be happy so the rest of us can stop hearing all the repetitive nonsense.

Or just wait 5-7 years so you can have your 'standalone' purist Supra with a Mazda inline-6 instead. The one that will prob have an RX-9 badge on it. Go start that thread and get a head start on all the hate!

It's so funny how I am trying to have a respectful debate by sharing my honest opinion and yet I still seem to have touched a nerve. Oh well, I expected I would trigger somebody; not surprising it's you.

Let me break down my post for you, then:

1. What I mean by standalone car is that the 86 is an entirely new model, not really having any previous generations. Yes, it takes its name from the AE86, but you know full well it's not just based on that car alone.

The Supra has had four prior generations, all mainly Toyota, and is obviously well established due to the popularity of the MKIV. I don't think it's out of reason to at least expect Toyota to do a great deal of the development.

2. You do realize I acknowledged that, right? In fact, you've just reinforced my argument: that's exactly why I called the 86 more of a Toyota than the Supra; because from what I can see, Toyota put forth more effort in bringing the 86 to the market. I'm convinced that Subaru would never have produced the RWD BRZ coupe without Toyota; I'm not so convinced that BMW would have done the same with the Z4 without Toyota, despite previous poor sales. BMW can say anything they want - but companies say a lot of things.

3. So what exactly is your point here? This doesn't address any argument I've made so far.

4. This doesn't change the fact that this is still mainly a BMW vehicle. And again, what the hell are you going on about? I've not made any mention of the interior, which in my opinion isn't bad save for the dumbass iPad screen trend. However, it only reinforces the fact you're really in a BMW. Are you arguing with me at this point, or are you just venting all your anger out on me for shit everybody else has said?

5. Yeah, actually the biggest purists complaining are on Supraforums.com. You know, the ones whose MKIVs are debatably priced and high-valued. You go right ahead and tell them that they can't afford any of the vehicles you just listed (exception being the unattainable by any means Le Mans car). It's not as if pricing the Supra around $80,000-90,000 will somehow deter potential customers, either.

Also, brand isn't the same as a whole corporation. The LFA doesn't represent Toyota as a brand.

Originally Posted by abraxis

If you think no Supra at all is better than having this Supra, we have nothing to say to each other. That's just absurd. You should prob take down that Fast and Furious poster and disassemble your shrine to Paul Walker and move on from high school.

Why not both? I agree with those that say that this shouldn't have been called a Supra, but I also agree that it should exist. Toyota could have literally chosen any other name for this car, and it would have been a great hit. Did you even bother to read my second-to-last paragraph?

Funny you label me as being some kind of F&F fanboy. I enjoy the movies, but that isn't how I learned about the Supra. Let me make a far-out generalization in return - I assume you're a 2020 Supra owner that signed that stupid compensation petition, right?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I know there was one said to be in a garage in Atlanta someplace. Saw it in a Youtube about abandoned tech at some point.

I've seen one in Atlanta on the road about 5 years ago. Unfortunately didn't snap a photo so no proof.

[spike021]

Just saw the 2021 in the Blue color at Osaka Automesse. It’s an incredibly beautiful color. Similar to hyper blue but deeper, a bit darker I think, and metallic.

Tbh if I didn’t have a car already I’d totally consider it.

[soundman98]

i can't get over how ugly steel-formed ducktail looks. if they had just flattened the back, it'd be a beautiful rear end...

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Here is a shell for sale. Wonder how many survived?

https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?f...tofT1YaqHf-LWU

Several, despite GMs best efforts.

Oddly, there was a crazy crimewave right before leases ended of EV-1 theft.. most of those are sitting in museums now.

[LancePower]

Finally saw one in person. Two actually (HKS Prototype) at the Auto Show.

I'll agree with what has been said many times; it does look "better" in person. But still not sure it looks great.

[Lantanafrs2]

A little too much batmobile for me

[Red-86]

I fear the 2.0 Supra will be too expensive for the relative performance, especially next to competitors. 255HP is a very conservative tune, that B48 makes over 300HP stock in the new Mini JCW range. They should turn up the wick and stop playing pattycakes.