AP Exhaust Numbers

[mattles]

Chinese made crap... hmm thats weird because when I was at Agency Power/Vivid Racing's REAL shop and offices in Gilbert, AZ - I noticed they had several jigs/prototype parts laid out for the FRS... They seem to be capable of making lots of cheap chinese parts in house IN ARIZONA. Sheeeesh.

[wollview]

If I may, could I see the numbers without the header? It would be comparable since the exhaust systems from other companies don't come with the header

[wollview]

Originally Posted by vividracing

Bringing up this crap is getting old pretty quick. Its been addressed here many times.

Its time to get over it and move on. We are not even the same staff as back then. I also am from NASIOC. I have my personal account there. I do not see how you can compare back then with now amd how I am handling things on this site.

I pmed you! thanks man!

[Cudgel]

Subbed!

[signalpuke]

Originally Posted by signalpuke

SAE numbers?

A yes or no will suffice...

Also, can you post a baseline from another car for comparison. Doesn't have to be a BRZ/FR-S, any stock vehicle will do.

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by signalpuke

A yes or no will suffice...

Also, can you post a baseline from another car for comparison. Doesn't have to be a BRZ/FR-S, any stock vehicle will do.

he probably didn't respond because if you knew what you were asking you wouldn't have asked.


it is 157% irrelevant what correction factor is used, and since SAE's actual standard is intended for Crankshaft HP ratings AKA BHP, SAE ratings at the wheels don't mean anything.

For all intents and purposes yes these are SAE, if that's what makes you happy.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by mattles

Chinese made crap... hmm thats weird because when I was at Agency Power/Vivid Racing's REAL shop and offices in Gilbert, AZ - I noticed they had several jigs/prototype parts laid out for the FRS... They seem to be capable of making lots of cheap chinese parts in house IN ARIZONA. Sheeeesh.

The link on their site is currently broken (Information, "Where's it made?", bottom left) , but they used to freely admit all their exhaust products were made in China.

Jigs for prototypes, prototypes to China, Chinese parts back.

Don't know if that's changed, though.

[mattles]

Im sure they do outsource major manufacturing to china, as do most US companies. The debate here is not that they use overseas manufacturing, the debate is whether or not they solely produce cheap/shit/knockoff parts.

[signalpuke]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

he probably didn't respond because if you knew what you were asking you wouldn't have asked.


it is 157% irrelevant what correction factor is used, and since SAE's actual standard is intended for Crankshaft HP ratings AKA BHP, SAE ratings at the wheels don't mean anything.

For all intents and purposes yes these are SAE, if that's what makes you happy.

Are you associated with the VividRacing?

SAE corrects everything to a standard measurement. If there are changes in temperature or pressure, they are calculated and graphed accordingly. He can use other correction factors, but SAE is the most common I have seen from people in the US.

Next question, were the ramp rates the same?

[slrml617]

Long time lurking around, registered just to post on this since I'm very interested in this system, if it actually works out.

The problem with the whole thing is, IMO Vivid Racing wasn't as responsible and professional as they should have been. Being a major vendor in multiple performance car forums, I'm sure they knew these result were very impressive, specially since this car just came out, and they were pretty much the first to claim these kind of major gains. So naturally, once they posted these result claims, there were voices from all directions doubting it's validity.

If they really are a responsible and professional establishment, especially one that had some bad history and is trying to start with a clean slate, instead of just saying "you guys just wait until someone buys the product and you'll see we're telling the truth", they should have prepared all the data, videos and detailed complete info (at least which part produced what gains to add to whole 40whp) before even posting. And since there was all that hard R&D work done, I just don't see how is it so hard to post all that information up.

I'm hoping AP/Vivid will step up and post all the information they have to prove their product is what they claim it is, and not wait until some forum member spend their own money and purchase the product just to prove their claims.

I'm in no way bashing anyone/company, just stating what I felt should be done here.

[signalpuke]

We are in a tech section of the forum, right?
Not the 'take my money' section...if people don't like tech questions, they shouldn't post here.
I don't doubt that these motors can make power, but I like to know what I am looking at.

[slrml617]

Originally Posted by fsevofq400

Just to be clear, so right now we're seeing a 40whp gain on a mustang dyno from a full exhaust system with no tune. I think we can safely say it'll break 200whp with a tune.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the header really made a big difference. If it was just the headerback (midpipe+catback), I'd expecting it would only be only about a 10whp gain.

This^

Need to see the break down parts dyno data!

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by Dimman

The link on their site is currently broken (Information, "Where's it made?", bottom left) , but they used to freely admit all their exhaust products were made in China.

Jigs for prototypes, prototypes to China, Chinese parts back.

Don't know if that's changed, though.

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by slrml617

Long time lurking around, registered just to post on this since I'm very interested in this system, if it actually works out.

The problem with the whole thing is, IMO Vivid Racing wasn't as responsible and professional as they should have been. Being a major vendor in multiple performance car forums, I'm sure they knew these result were very impressive, specially since this car just came out, and they were pretty much the first to claim these kind of major gains. So naturally, once they posted these result claims, there were voices from all directions doubting it's validity.

If they really are a responsible and professional establishment, especially one that had some bad history and is trying to start with a clean slate, instead of just saying "you guys just wait until someone buys the product and you'll see we're telling the truth", they should have prepared all the data, videos and detailed complete info (at least which part produced what gains to add to whole 40whp) before even posting. And since there was all that hard R&D work done, I just don't see how is it so hard to post all that information up.

I'm hoping AP/Vivid will step up and post all the information they have to prove their product is what they claim it is, and not wait until some forum member spend their own money and purchase the product just to prove their claims.

I'm in no way bashing anyone/company, just stating what I felt should be done here.

That stuff is in the works. Another thread people were asking for info and wanted me to post up dyno chart and vid. As in my 1st post here. This was what was done. If you look at our other posts on releasing parts. They are done with a high dollar video and so on. This was just a thread to bring out some details and share some good info.