Toyota and Subaru Officially Confirm Second Gen 86! (September 27, 2019)

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

The entire Australia domestic auto industry is gone, not for your above reasons (though that may not help), but instead thanks to your government's insane (and fantastical) energy policies.

That was one reason, mismanagement, bleeding money, relying on government subsidies, poor quality was another couple of reasons.

[Adam_L]

so a 86 with a lower profile 16" wheel/ tire (say a 45-50 series), would have a lower COG then a stock US 86 with 17" ?

[RayRay88]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

so a 86 with a lower profile 16" wheel/ tire (say a 45-50 series), would have a lower COG then a stock US 86 with 17" ?

Even a 40 series tire wouldn't be enough to offset it half an inch. It's also not as simple as saying, lowering the car 2 inches means the Cg has moved 2 inches lower.

[Aloha.Snackbar]

Welp so much for waiting on news about the twins from TMS. I think I’m just going to give in and buy a used 2017+

[scuzzy]

me too.

[J1Avs]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I get the whole idea of maintaining names on very changed products but it still bothers me sometimes. And sometimes it even outright pisses me off!

I don't get it...you posted two pictures of the EXACT same car

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Aloha.Snackbar

Welp so much for waiting on news about the twins from TMS. I think I’m just going to give in and buy a used 2017+

but but...torque dip!!!!

surely you cannot drive the car with such a performance detracting design flaw!

I think i'll wait for the 2020+ models of first gen 86 to become used, they have the updated head units

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by RayRay88

Even a 40 series tire wouldn't be enough to offset it half an inch. It's also not as simple as saying, lowering the car 2 inches means the Cg has moved 2 inches lower.

225/45-16 is 0.6" shorter than stock diameter, would lower the car 0.3". It is *nearly* as simple as saying that lowers the c.g. by 0.3" given that unsprung mass is less than 10% of total weight.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Aloha.Snackbar

Welp so much for waiting on news about the twins from TMS. I think I’m just going to give in and buy a used 2017+

Originally Posted by scuzzy

me too.

Yep. I wouldn’t hold my breath in any official news.

[RayRay88]

Originally Posted by ZDan

225/45-16 is 0.6" shorter than stock diameter, would lower the car 0.3". It is *nearly* as simple as saying that lowers the c.g. by 0.3" given that unsprung mass is less than 10% of total weight.

I've heard numbers as high as 15%, but yes it's nearly semantics at such an amateurish level. Still note worthy that it's not a 1:1 calculation.

[Yoniyama]

The FA20 seems rather unloved in this forum, while it is imperfect, it does:

(1) provide a fully balanced configuration, unlike an in-line four. But why is it harsher than the Skyactiv-G? Because of inadequate damping by the OEM crank pulley. The FA20 is much smoother with a fluidampr (or equivalent) installed.

(2) operate with a pronounced torque dip. But that's is primarily due to engine tuning. There are other OEM and after-market ignition map and exhaust combinations that minimise the torque dip.

(3) weigh more than an in-line four. Not much anyone can do much about this.

(4) provide a better front/rear weight distribution, and can be mounted further back.

(5) provides mediocre power and fuel consumption compared with the Skyactiv-G. That can be addressed if Toyota implements the Toyota Dynamic Force technology to the FA 20.

(6) have numerous significant product failures (actually breaking the record of re-calls for a any Toyota/Subaru) since day one. By 2017, most of the design problems have been identified and repaired.

Therefore, I like the FA20 for years after 2016. Just wish Toyota and Subaru did more testing before releasing Toybaru for sale to public.

Conclusion -

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoniyama

(6) have numerous significant product failures (actually breaking the record of re-calls for a any Toyota/Subaru) since day one. By 2017, most of the design problems have been identified and repaired.
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Substantiating data?
I know of the one engine recall and even then the FA20 was a tiny percentage of the overall numbers involved.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Yoniyama

The FA20 seems rather unloved in this forum, while it is imperfect, it does:
...
(4) provide a better front/rear weight distribution, and can be mounted further back.

Not really... The flat-4 engine had to be mounted rather far forward in order to have clearance for steering shaft. The FT86's front/rear weight distribution at 55/45 is not that good (in fact it's pretty poor IMO) for an FR sports/sporty car...

BUT I think the "fix" for this is to make a shortened-wheelbase 2-seat version with rear wheels moved ~10-12" forward
Yeah, not gon happen...

[scuzzy]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep. I wouldn’t hold my breath in any official news.

Bought a new 2019 BRZ Limited with PP -- Life's to short.