Current well known car brands that you would never buy

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Dodge and GM? For real? Gm is dog piss yuck and dodge has nothing but the Viper.

I'd sooner buy a Kia than a Dodge.

I guess you’ve never driven a Ram/Durango or a Silverado/Sierra/Yukon/Tahoe

[weederr33]

I'm gonna go full ignorant on this one:
Any sort of Dodge/ Chrysler.


I've had an '85 Jeep Cherokee (loved it), '95 Mitsubishi Eclipse (had a Chrysler sourced engine)(loved it), and an '05 Dodge Neon (loved it). All were reliable and easy to work on. I'm just fatigued from owning them lol.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Cole

I guess you’ve never driven a Ram/Durango or a Silverado/Sierra/Yukon/Tahoe

I've had many hours of seat time driving a Durango. That thing is numb and has serious quality control issues for the price it's at.

This is where I am biased though, but any time I've touched a Ram I've been so off put by the suspension and boat feeling.. you go over any kind of bump and the suspension has to bounce for the next kilometer... And the light steering.. gross.

I've tried to like trucks, believe me, but from a driving experience why would I ever want one.

[Dadhawk]

It would be easier to list the ones I would buy rather than the ones I wouldn't I think, but here's the one's I absolutely wouldn't buy or take if you gave it to me (OK, I'd take it, sell it and buy something else).

Chrysler/Fiat: Never had a good experience with them, or known anyone that long-term had a good experience with them.

Tesla: And not because it's electric, it's because it's too high tech. I don't want a car where I have to use a touchscreen to open a glovebox, and you have to pay extra to get a damn key fob. Also, don't like that they can decide to arbitrarily add/remove features to my car.

BMW/Mercedes/Etc: Sorry not going to buy a car where the maintenance and parts are more expensive just because of the name stamped on them.

Any Car from China: Not enough information to know if they are worth a damn.


Any Exotic: The C8 is about as exotic as I will ever be willing to get with my own personal money, and this is only because it has a GM motor in it that I would expect to go the distance. OK, I might take a Ferrari 308GT but only if it comes with a lifetime warranty.

I likely will not buy another Subaru/Toyota or other Toyota joint venture either. Don't get me wrong, I love my 86, but there are enough things I don't love that have soured me on another similar car unless they do something fantasmic with the MKII.

As far as the folks talking about reliability, I've had the best luck with GM. 2 Chevy Astros, and 1 Lumina LTZ that all were relatively trouble-free through over 200,000 miles, and one that made it to 280,000. When they die though, they die hard. Also have a Suburban at 160,000 miles that has never had a drivetrain issue.

Same with MomHawk's '05 Mustang. 110,000 miles and has never had a non-maintenance repair. I'm not a Ford fan myself so technically I wouldn't be buying it, but we do have them in the family.

Honda experience has been the same as GM with multiple over 200,000 miles although there were a couple of repairs to get there, including one AT transmission rebuild on an Accord.

Same experience for Toyota, including a GM Prism. All good solid cars and would buy again.

Trucks, I only buy GM and motorcycles I only buy Hondas.

[WolfpackS2k]

As long as Honda continues to build ridiculously hideous cars I won't buy one.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

I've had many hours of seat time driving a Durango. That thing is numb and has serious quality control issues for the price it's at.

This is where I am biased though, but any time I've touched a Ram I've been so off put by the suspension and boat feeling.. you go over any kind of bump and the suspension has to bounce for the next kilometer... And the light steering.. gross.

I've tried to like trucks, believe me, but from a driving experience why would I ever want one.

I’ve had weeks of seat time in a 2018 Durango, top trim level. My experiences are vastly different to yours. No QC issues, and of course it’s numb, it’s a big SUV.

My dads 2018 Ram has none of the suspension issues either. But again, it’s a truck, what do you expect?

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

As long as Honda continues to build ridiculously hideous cars I won't buy one.

I have to agree. I am a huge Honda fan, but their latest lineup are some butt ugly vehicles.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

I've had many hours of seat time driving a Durango. That thing is numb and has serious quality control issues for the price it's at.

This is where I am biased though, but any time I've touched a Ram I've been so off put by the suspension and boat feeling.. you go over any kind of bump and the suspension has to bounce for the next kilometer... And the light steering.. gross.

I've tried to like trucks, believe me, but from a driving experience why would I ever want one.

Truck suspensions are intended to deal with loads for people that actually use them as TRUCKS. People now drive them around like sedans and expect the same ride and handling. If it is any type of decent TRUCK it will not give you that ride and handling because if it did when empty it would be useless when loaded.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Truck suspensions are intended to deal with loads for people that actually use them as TRUCKS. People now drive them around like sedans and expect the same ride and handling. If it is any type of decent TRUCK it will not give you that ride and handling because if it did when empty it would be useless when loaded.

Can’t they solve that with progressive springs? Maybe not solve, but surely it can be made decent at both?

[strat61caster]

tl;dr No I'd consider any brand at this point.

Rumored Tesla truck seems awesome, if they can deliver >300 mile range on a full charge and maybe >200 miles towing and their powertrain reliability keeps on being unsullied I'd be pretty damn compelled. Give me an electric Ridgeline with some serious towing capacity and I'm in for a DD that can haul a racecar. I was skeptical of electric DD's until reading some reviews about how you don't realize the ICE NVH stresses you out until you spend a few days without it, looking forward to the day I can justify it.

Edit: y'all want small trucks, not practical trucks, Hilux, Hardbody, Rabbit were the last we got in the states, Utes, car suspension with truck body, fun to drive, more practical than a dumb sedan or coupe.

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Can’t they solve that with progressive springs? Maybe not solve, but surely it can be made decent at both?

Some do. You pay for it though. Like everything else something has to compromise and nothing can do everything perfectly.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

tl;dr No I'd consider any brand at this point.

Rumored Tesla truck seems awesome, if they can deliver >300 mile range on a full charge and maybe >200 miles towing and their powertrain reliability keeps on being unsullied I'd be pretty damn compelled. Give me an electric Ridgeline with some serious towing capacity and I'm in for a DD that can haul a racecar. I was skeptical of electric DD's until reading some reviews about how you don't realize the ICE NVH stresses you out until you spend a few days without it, looking forward to the day I can justify it.

Edit: y'all want small trucks, not practical trucks, Hilux, Hardbody, Rabbit were the last we got in the states, Utes, car suspension with truck body, fun to drive, more practical than a dumb sedan or coupe.

One of my favorite vehicles was my old 74 Datsun 620 pickup. Just a little thing (about the same as the FRS) and only 100HP but damn that thing was fun to drive.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

One of my favorite vehicles was my old 74 Datsun 620 pickup. Just a little thing (about the same as the FRS) and only 100HP but damn that thing was fun to drive.

My dad bought one new in '74, gave it to my older brother when he graduated in'78. Great little trucks.

[NWFRS]

Dodge. Chrysler. Jeep.

Never under any circumstances.