I think some people need a reality check...

[luxmn]

i think pp just complain to have things to complain about, typical *popular* american culture (not what america is about just to be clear). and to be honest it seems like society digs it. i've seen pp that are happy with the car on this forum post less and less. but the people that have something oh so terrible about the car, all day everyday.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by luxmn

...i've seen pp that are happy with the car on this forum post less and less. but the people that have something oh so terrible about the car, all day everyday.

Probably because those if us happy with it are too busy doing this!


(we need one with paddle shifters for the AT crowd...)

[empower-auto]

This is premium monday morning amusement for me.

Some folks in here are so jaded about the small things they don't agree with in their 30k car and they seem to have completely forgotten that 30k also got them an extremely light, balanced, RWD, sports-car with a GOOD 6-speed gear-box and a Torsen differential.

Then again - I think these are the same people that will never put these features to any real use.

[ST185RC]

It's not the people who own them who complain about the car that bug me; it's the people who've never driven one who complain about them that bug me.

[luxmn]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Probably because those if us happy with it are too busy doing this!


(we need one with paddle shifters for the AT crowd...)

exactly my point

[demby123]

Originally Posted by imravenit

You dont even need to compare the frs to a lexus.. comparing it to my 1986 toyota corolla gts which has original miles of 53,xxx to be exact.. My AE86 does not make any chirping noise under the hood.. My interiors are all intact and not rattling.. my engine does not drop on idle even when a/c is turned on.. my door seals or suspensions seals are not leaking water... most definately i dont have a thud when i shift to first gear even with cusco 2 way lsd... And so on.. There is no excuse and this is not acceptable for a brand new car...

hmmph... My T50 thuds when in first gear most of the time.... but then again it was taken from a corolla sedan with 173k on the clock. There's also the occasional rattle.

Thing is, every car will have rattles and odd noises new, that's what the squeak and rattle kit/TSB was around for in the 80s and that's why we have it at our dealership now. Every car cannot be made perfectly similar, it just won't happen no matter how much money you, the manufacturer, or NVH engineers spend on development or the car itself.

[Enilder]

Can we make this a burger thread because this thread became quite off topic?

[imravenit]

Originally Posted by demby123

hmmph... My T50 thuds when in first gear most of the time.... but then again it was taken from a corolla sedan with 173k on the clock. There's also the occasional rattle.

Thing is, every car will have rattles and odd noises new, that's what the squeak and rattle kit/TSB was around for in the 80s and that's why we have it at our dealership now. Every car cannot be made perfectly similar, it just won't happen no matter how much money you, the manufacturer, or NVH engineers spend on development or the car itself.

Agree! but u get my point...

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by ANTiSOViET

First off, the genesis coupe is not the same car. It tries to be the same car in the same way that American manufacturers make "sports" cars. It's 1000lbs heavier, either a turbo 4 or V6 so the engine orientation is wrong...I mean yes it has shiny buttons on the inside. And I'll agree it is a nicer looking car on the inside (not that I don't love my FR-s but...you know) but its still missing the purposeful execution of driving excitement. I look around and there are three cars that are "similar" in execution but still different, none of them are the Genesis Coupe.

1) The Mazda RX-8: There is no reason for this car to exist other then driving pleasure. It's not practical, or particularly good looking. It doesn't beat an SiR in a straight line (okay it might I don't know/care). But it was a hell of a car to bomb around in cause it was small light and fast. The rotary engine put the weight in the right place and everything was built to make it more fun to drive in the corners.

2) The Volkswagon GTi: This car was built to make the hot-hatch market real once the CRX was done. They are driven by the wrong wheels but still an example of what driving pleasure was about. Even the Germans know that this is a fun driving car but it is still more expensive than the FR-S/BRZ, heavier, and it's more expensive.

3) The Lotus Elise: Heck it's even powered by a Toyota...but that's aside the point. Its a $60,000 car that beats damn near everything through a corner. If you've ever sat in or driven one you know that they are "Spartan" on the inside (lots of aluminium to remind you that the road is only that far away) but it's literally the closest thing to the FR-S/BRZ and that's where the comparison should be made. Small, light, fast through the corners and doesn't give a shit about "creature comforts" or "technology". The tech in the car is meant entirely to make you go through a corner faster, exactly as it should be. But the other half of owning a Lotus is that it isn't fun to drive in traffic, it isn't a hole lot of fun to drive anywhere except on well paved highways and tracks because it's strung up like a heroine addict between pay-checks.

So yeah, there are other cars out there with a nicer interior, but they are built for a different purpose and demographic. I don't agree that we should all STFU and not complain when our brand new cars aren't working properly. But I think that the comparison to anything other than actual road going track cars should be told to stuff it in equal measure as I should shut up that my injection system doesn't like PetroCanada 94 gasoline.

First I'd like to say how in the hell is a 2.0T and V6 engine wrong for the GC? Would you like it too have a 2.0L torqueless wonder of a engine in a 3400 lb(1000lbs more my ass) RWD coupe? IMO a 2.0L engine is a terrible choice in a "sports" car that weighs north of 2500 lbs. The GC has engines that's best suited for its weight. Secondly I understand that the GC is not the direct competitor to the FRS but a FWD econobox like a GTI is a even worse comparison to come up with after saying some stuff like that. I only agree with the RX8 making sense on your list as a Lotus Elise is the right weight for a 1.8-2.0L engine so its definitely in a higher class altogether cause of that.

[zoomzoomers]

Originally Posted by FRSowner

This is a $25,000 car. In today's marketplace, that's 'bargain basement'. Too many people are complaining about poor quality stereo, no steering wheel controls, poor visibility, and other bullshit 'issues'. I think many of them would be better off selling their FR-S/BRZ and buying something that has better ergonomics and accouterments, like maybe a mini-van?

Seriously, many of you don't realize what a great package deal this vehicle is. I've owned MANY cars and unless something major pops up repeatedly on cars across the world like engine fires, crankshafts cracking in half, wheels falling off, etc., it's NOT a big deal at this price point. Rattles in the dashboard, speaker covers that don't stay attached, and other trivial stuff is just going to piss off the dealerships when people keep bugging them about it and take away their time and resources to deal with real problems. This car is NOT perfect. Little flaws like these should be taken care of by the owners.

If you want a top quality vehicle, spend the money and buy a $50,000+ priced car. This car was a vision and concessions were made to achieve the vision and still make it affordable. Yes, Toyota/Subaru probably pulled existing stuff off the shelf and fitted it to the car. Yes, they probably scrimped a little on the selection of materials to use. That's called cost-cutting measures. If they would have spent more on development, the car would have been priced significantly higher.

Legitimate problems should be addressed (taillight moisture, idling issues) but this 'the sky is falling' mentality because the driver can hear the differential whine at 85 mph really needs to be reeled in. Just my opinion.

I'm sorry but I can see you will most likely never be a CEO of any substantial company with your views and attitude of a consumable good. Tell that to the entire Japanese auto industry that has built up Godzilla like (pun intended) auto industry from making "rinky dink" cheap little RELIABLE automobiles for the past 50 years, especially TOYOTA.

Do I think that people should tone down their expectations to something realistic? Yes. Do I think that if anyone has an issue they should quietly take their cars to the dealership to have it fixed under warranty? Yes. That's what warranties are there for. Do I think that people should foolishly say, "this is a cheap $25k car live with all the little rattles and defects? ABSOLUTELY NOT! You paid good money, expect nothing less than to receive a good product.

Do you expect a burger that costs $3 to be less fresh than one that cost $5? It's thinking yours that dumbs down consumers into thinking that just because a product is less costly than another it should be of less quality.

Honestly, I get what you're attempting to say, but don't dumb yourself down to where you make a purchase of an automobile, or anything for that matter, into a simple black and white act where you convince yourself that you deserve something inferior just because it doesn't command a higher price tag.

[Mr. Mcoupe]

$25k is a TON of happy endings at the Asian Spa!

oy, I think I may have mentioned this already.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Heero

TBH... the genesis coupe is in a comparable price range and Hyundai did a much better job with the interior on that car. I understand the whole Won vs Yen thing... but still. You would think the little things like the climate control would be at least look a little modernized.

Don't get me wrong, the limited BRZ's interior is nice and I actually like it more then the GCs. But the FRS and the BRZ premium?

Keep complaining....scion will fix this in 2014. It needs to be upgraded. A $22k 2013 mustang has a better quality interior.

Scion just could not figure out its pricing, they will charge more for the 2014 model and it will have the same interior as the BRZ limited but without the navigation. It will get a better stereo and hids headlights too.

Just keep complaining folks.

Just think about it the BRZ limited is only $3k more and it has a real navigation system included, plus a rear wing plus a bunch lf other cool stuff. For $1500 more than the current FR-S, scion could have included everything that is in the BRZ limited but exclude the rear wing and the navigation system.

But wait, that's probably the 2014 model....

But then people will still complain, but that is good. This is the free world, you have a right to complain.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Nepenthe

...but unfortunately also comes with the most nasty french fries ever.

I don't understand the thread. If there are problems and they can be dealt with, let's get them out in the open. That's 50% of why I come here. If all we're going to do is ma$turbate about how great the vehicle is and how wise our purchases were, I don't see a reason to come here.

Only real issue I have is the rattling. I have the passenger side door speaker rattle on low bass notes, the dash above the radio tapping when it gets warm, and the intermittent (usually disappearing and reappearing in tandem with the g-forces of cornering) rattling of the wiring harness inside each door.

That what I like to hear. Complaining yo! Sounds like the fr-s needs some dynomat in the door panels. Or they need to plus some engineers from the Lexus team to fix the rattle problems on the line.

Complaining makes the world better!

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

That what I like to hear. Complaining yo! Sounds like the fr-s needs some dynomat in the door panels. Or they need to plus some engineers from the Lexus team to fix the rattle problems on the line.

Complaining makes the world better!

Isnt that how the world works?
1.) Read internets
2.) complain about some product
3.) Purchase said product
4.) Complain to the internets about said product
5.) keep using said product and keep complaining about said product to the internets
6.) Suggest ways to 'improve' the product which sounds easy on paper but would make beancounters, engineers, professionals laugh at you for suggesting such ridiculous things.