How To: Free Clutch Spring Removal in 15 Minutes - A must do for manual trans! - Page 16 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

churchx · 12-21-2018, 02:01 PM

If you like travel & bite point as is - no. Spring just makes a bit easier to press clutch pedal. Removal of it - just harder to press clutch (but thus also easier to "feel" bite point).

rice_classic · 12-23-2018, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by churchx

Isn't TOB in contact all the time (just that not pushing against leaf springs, when pedal not pressed)?

It should not be. Permanent contact would ensure premature failure.

As illustrated in the video (and experienced by myself) the spring removal introduces ~1mm of play in the pedal. That play is important because it means there's no force acting against the TOB. Clutches that use a clutch cable have to have their play manually adjusted into them while hydraulic clutches are self adjusting on their play.

This is a pretty stout little spring and it's acting against the pedal (trying to push it in) and without any definitive evidence I surmise that it may be enough to be equivalent to someone resting their foot on the pedal and keeping the TOB in contact. There is NO WAY that removing the spring will have a negative impact on the life of the TOB - in fact it's the other way around. Considering how many people have premature TOB failures it's more likely that leaving it in is a possible culprit of those premature failures. Even if it's not - removing the spring is not a risk to your TOB whatsoever.

DarkPira7e · 12-23-2018, 11:16 AM

For what it;s worth to those of you who are considering this, I removed this spring about 40,000 miles ago. I did no clutch pedal adjustment. TOB with 60,000 miles on it is still dead silent and everything is wonderful.

Legend@wheels · 12-30-2018, 06:19 PM

Any cons by doing that?
As far as i get it -i just remove the spring and thats it?

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jonboy99 · 12-30-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Legend@wheels

Any cons by doing that?
As far as i get it -i just remove the spring and thats it?

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No proven cons other than heavier clutch. Apparently this will bother you only if you are a weakling or a child.

I am obviously one of these, as I found it a bit heavy for daily use, so got the MTEC spring. Try it without and see. Without a spring there will be bit of loose travel pedal right at the top - if you don't like this (I didn't) just adjust the brake light switch just enough to stop it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

For what it;s worth to those of you who are considering this, I removed this spring about 40,000 miles ago. I did no clutch pedal adjustment. TOB with 60,000 miles on it is still dead silent and everything is wonderful.

That's good info.

suzyj · 01-06-2019, 01:00 AM

Just spent the last couple of hours trying to get the pin out, with no success. On my RHD the spring assembly is buried up in a channel, with a metal plate either side. I was able to pop the e-clip off reasonably easily, but the plate prevents the pin from coming out. I suspect I’d have to pull the whole pedal assembly out to get it apart.

churchx · 01-06-2019, 03:58 AM

Yeah, heard that it's harder mod to do on RHD. Then again, RHD cars may have better accel pedal stock placement for heal & toe, if i recall correctly.

suzyj · 01-06-2019, 04:57 AM

I’ve given up - I’ll order the 19mm slave and try that instead. I’m much too old for this lying on my back with my head under the dash stuff.

Legend@wheels · 01-06-2019, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by suzyj

I’ve given up - I’ll order the 19mm slave and try that instead. I’m much too old for this lying on my back with my head under the dash stuff.

Lol
Im also up to that.

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86MLR · 01-06-2019, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by suzyj

I’ve given up - I’ll order the 19mm slave and try that instead. I’m much too old for this lying on my back with my head under the dash stuff.

RHD

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117628

Larphraulen · 03-10-2019, 11:11 PM

For those that have done this: any issues regarding the play at the top of the pedal? I'm on the fence as I also had some concerns about it affecting the TOB.

qcbaker · 03-11-2019, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Larphraulen

For those that have done this: any issues regarding the play at the top of the pedal? I'm on the fence as I also had some concerns about it affecting the TOB.

Honestly, I don't even notice the play at the top. I was concerned about that as well when I first did this, but after removing the spring I've found it to be basically a non-issue. I really don't think just the weight of the pedal itself is enough to actually affect the TOB in any meaningful way.

15limited · 03-11-2019, 05:49 PM

This has been done for years, probably by the hundreds. Let's not be neurotic about a 10 minute removal/install DIY.

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Xerophthalmic · 03-21-2019, 01:49 PM

In the stock arrangement, I haven't allowed anyone to drive my car, not even my own mother. After removing the spring, I would! The clutch pedal now gives the feedback I was accustomed to in the past. Makes me think that, in stock form, learning to drive a manual on this car would be harder than necessary.

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churchx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: 2014 GT86 Location: Latvia, Riga Posts: 4,335 Thanks: 698 Thanked 2,086 Times in 1,436 Posts Mentioned: 53 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	If you like travel & bite point as is - no. Spring just makes a bit easier to press clutch pedal. Removal of it - just harder to press clutch (but thus also easier to "feel" bite point).

12-23-2018, 11:16 AM	#213
DarkPira7e Rust bucket enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2017 Drives: 2013 Turbo Firestorm FRS Location: Vermont Posts: 4,054 Thanks: 3,313 Thanked 4,204 Times in 2,112 Posts Mentioned: 33 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	For what it;s worth to those of you who are considering this, I removed this spring about 40,000 miles ago. I did no clutch pedal adjustment. TOB with 60,000 miles on it is still dead silent and everything is wonderful.

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Legend@wheels nenber Join Date: Nov 2018 Drives: BRZ Location: ISRAEL Posts: 97 Thanks: 63 Thanked 22 Times in 20 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Any cons by doing that? As far as i get it -i just remove the spring and thats it? Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

01-06-2019, 01:00 AM	#216
suzyj Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Drives: 2018 86 GTS Location: Western Australia Posts: 89 Thanks: 48 Thanked 143 Times in 50 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just spent the last couple of hours trying to get the pin out, with no success. On my RHD the spring assembly is buried up in a channel, with a metal plate either side. I was able to pop the e-clip off reasonably easily, but the plate prevents the pin from coming out. I suspect I’d have to pull the whole pedal assembly out to get it apart.

01-06-2019, 03:58 AM	#217
churchx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: 2014 GT86 Location: Latvia, Riga Posts: 4,335 Thanks: 698 Thanked 2,086 Times in 1,436 Posts Mentioned: 53 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Yeah, heard that it's harder mod to do on RHD. Then again, RHD cars may have better accel pedal stock placement for heal & toe, if i recall correctly.

01-06-2019, 04:57 AM	#218
suzyj Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Drives: 2018 86 GTS Location: Western Australia Posts: 89 Thanks: 48 Thanked 143 Times in 50 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I’ve given up - I’ll order the 19mm slave and try that instead. I’m much too old for this lying on my back with my head under the dash stuff.

03-10-2019, 11:11 PM	#221
Larphraulen Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Drives: 2018 Subaru BRZ 6m; 2012 VW GLI 6m Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 34 Thanks: 33 Thanked 15 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	For those that have done this: any issues regarding the play at the top of the pedal? I'm on the fence as I also had some concerns about it affecting the TOB.

03-21-2019, 01:49 PM	#224
Xerophthalmic Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Drives: '17 BRZ Limited PP CWP Location: Minnesota Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	In the stock arrangement, I haven't allowed anyone to drive my car, not even my own mother. After removing the spring, I would! The clutch pedal now gives the feedback I was accustomed to in the past. Makes me think that, in stock form, learning to drive a manual on this car would be harder than necessary.

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