I have the valve spring recall information.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Takumi788

I heard some SPECULATION from a Subaru service writer. A lot of the techs and writers seem to think Subaru will replace the heads with heads that are pre-loaded with the new valve springs to save time and ease the install.

Again this is the opinion of one Subaru writer and a few techs. It seems plausible but I argue that the cost of new heads may outweigh the time of just replacing the valve springs. Crazier things have happened.

Ya they have to pull the engine either way and that is where the real time will be spent. There are more than one engine type involved so preloading heads would be costly. Don't see swapping heads saving enough time to make the materials costs worth it but stranger things have happened in the mystical automotive realm.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ya they have to pull the engine either way and that is where the real time will be spent. There are more than one engine type involved so preloading heads would be costly. Don't see swapping heads saving enough time to make the materials costs worth it but stranger things have happened in the mystical automotive realm.

Yeah, I think people have visions of removing valve covers and then just unbloting the whole thing in one piece. It just doesn't work that way. Giving people band new heads, valve seals, valves, springs, keepers and and retainers just to save 20mins doesn't make much sense.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by ermax

Yeah, I think people have visions of removing valve covers and then just unbloting the whole thing in one piece. It just doesn't work that way. Giving people band new heads, valve seals, valves, springs, keepers and and retainers just to save 20mins doesn't make much sense.

They might decide to do batches of reworked heads, and then the old heads become the new batch after rework.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

They might decide to do batches of reworked heads, and then the old heads become the new batch after rework.

There is talk about not removing the head at all. The two options would net out time waise. If you pop the springs off without removing the heads then you would be saving just as much time as you would to unbolt and bolt on a rebuilt head. So then it becomes a cost issue and shipping costs alone would make it not worth it even if you are reusing parts.

It seems like giving the first 100 people brand new engines and then start a circulation of refurbished engines would be cost effective. The dealers could swap in a new engine in 3 hours and then there could be a small staff of Subaru corporate workers who do the rebuilds at a central location and get really good at it. Seems like this would cut down on bad rebuilds done by dealers and people coming back with other problems. But I don't think this would work because people would potentially go from a 20K engine to a refurbished 150K engine.

Regardless this is going to cost a ton of money.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by ermax

There is talk about not removing the head at all. The two options would net out time waise. If you pop the springs off without removing the heads then you would be saving just as much time as you would to unbolt and bolt on a rebuilt head. So then it becomes a cost issue and shipping costs alone would make it not worth it even if you are reusing parts.

Makes sense. Still have to remove the cams either way right?

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Makes sense. Still have to remove the cams either way right?

Correct

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

They might decide to do batches of reworked heads, and then the old heads become the new batch after rework.

Mom and pop shop methods. Not going to do that for 400,000 engines.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

Regardless this is going to cost a ton of money.

Depending on what report you read it will be someplace between $400,000,000 and $500,000,000. With 400,000 cars affected I don't see how they can do it for less than that.


As a forum we are looking at actions to correct the handful of FRS/BRZs involved and not seeing the big picture. They are not going to give new engines to anybody nor start rebuilding and swapping heads. There are just too many variables and logistics involved to make that feasible.


"Subaru is taking a substantial hit from this development, having cut operating profit expectations for the April-September period (the first half of Japan’s financial year) last week by $434 million (49 billion yen). The company now estimates an operating profit of $540 million (61 billion yen) for this period, which is largely a result of the recall and its subsequent costs."

[gravitylover]

Originally Posted by BRZnut

I just changed my oil so I guess I'll bring it in around the time of my next change is due.

Heh, yeah me too. I haven't been driving the car much since because it needs a few other things like tires and rear hub bearings so it would probably be the spring before I need to change it again.

Heck if they toss new/rebuilt motors I'll take one with lower than my 108k

[redfred]

Yesterday I had the oil changed at the dealer. Confirmed that my '13 is part of the recall. But, the dealer doesn't have the recall fix instructions yet to schedule the repair. They thought I should be receiving notification from Subaru soon.

[LunarStorm86]

youre all getting new springs. that's it. no engines, no heads.. springs.