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Ahh its that one. Thanks I will rewatch their video. They did a video summing up the costs of the whole thing, and the motor + transmission part itself was dirt cheap and I think it made 200whp on gas pump after tune (using a stock cast exhaust manifold I think). Rewatching for more info Thanks again.
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its amazing to me of HOW LOUD the aftermarket community is yelling at Toyota/Subaru "hey you put the wrong motor in this platform" the FA20 motor is a trash can
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On the other hand, there is a loud group of car enthusiasts who have begged for more cheap, RWD, light weight cars. These enthusiasts got the twins. The Toyota fan boys didn’t get a Toyota motor. The Honda fan boys didn’t get anything. The Subaru fanboys didn’t get AWD. Etc, etc. They couldn’t please everyone making one car. Inevitably, lightweight, low powered, sports cars often get swaps. The 240 saw a lot of swaps. The RX7 saw a lot too. The Miata continues to be popular for swaps. The twins will be no different.
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im talking about how weak the internals are with boost. as well as the cooling issues when taking it to the track
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What exactly about the FA20 do you think qualifies it as trash? It's a reliable motor, it's one of the most powerful 4 cylinder engines on the market, it revs high, and it handles forced induction surprisingly well considering its high compression ratio.
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Basically, I think for most people its a mix of too heavy for the power it makes, and placed too far foward. Adding FI only compounds to more weight forward. While it works, and as you just said, its one of the best 4cyl engines out there currently, it can be better. At least thats what my problems with it are. I want a lighter car that can corner even better, but I also want more power so I can add more aero to the car, those two upgrades seem to go agaisnt each other. More power = more weight, usually high up and forward, less weight is usually everywhere but the front of the car, so as it gets lighter, the center of mass moves forward. This is just for me, it may not apply to anyone else at all, or it may be a shared opinion.
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This seems like a solid swap because in my opinion the K24 is one of the best 4 cylinder engines ever made, but just because the fa20 isn't as good as the K24 doesn't make the fa20 garbage in my opinion. |
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