How irritating is the tourqe dip - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Autoenthusiastasm · 11-05-2018, 08:29 PM

I keep reading about how the car has no power between 2-5k when autocrossing. I currently drive a Miata so I am familiar with momentum. Also. At what mileage is considered too high too buy. Any maintenance besides oil change I should look for. Thank you

HKz · 11-05-2018, 08:30 PM

have you driven one..?

Autoenthusiastasm · 11-05-2018, 08:34 PM

Not yet. Looking, but the closest one available is an hour away.

Sapphireho · 11-05-2018, 09:07 PM

You actually have to get out and push the car between 2-5k. You get used to it.

HKz · 11-05-2018, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Autoenthusiastasm

Not yet. Looking, but the closest one available is an hour away.

eh nothing on Turo?...or maybe in the regional forums someone can let you have a couple pulls..

no amount of text could ever tell me if I'm gonna like something or not. In theory if you are an experienced driver you should be able to virtually always stay above 5 K.. plus you're going to be grouped with miatas & civics, so who really cares lol

GrandSport · 11-05-2018, 09:20 PM

Miserable on the street, but on the track I just kept the revs up. I never really fell into the torque dip. No real reason to be in the torque dip. If I was in it, I was at the very end of it. From what I read, it's pretty easily cured with a header though.

I haven't autoXed in forever, forget an 86, so I'm not sure if it's different there.

Autoenthusiastasm · 11-05-2018, 09:20 PM

I live in a small upstate community. I can go days without seeing a twin. Turro not really a thing here. Not really many autoxed in my region. Their are a couple about 90 ish miles away in the 15- 16k range. Not sure what is considered too high mileage. I know maintenance is important. In a Miata maintenance is key (and rust free), as they run forever. Not sure if that is the case for the boxer engine

HKz · 11-05-2018, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GrandSport

Miserable on the street, but on the track I just kept the revs up. I never really fell into the torque dip. No real reason to be in the torque dip. If I was in it, I was at the very end of it. From what I read, it's pretty easily cured with a header though.

I haven't autoXed in forever, forget an 86, so I'm not sure if it's different there.

...miserable, really? we're gonna go there?

GrandSport · 11-05-2018, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HKz

...miserable, really? we're gonna go there?

Idk, I found it super annoying driving on the street- especially if you were merging or something.

HKz · 11-05-2018, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Autoenthusiastasm

I live in a small upstate community. I can go days without seeing a twin. Turro not really a thing here. Not really many autoxed in my region. Their are a couple about 90 ish miles away in the 15- 16k range. Not sure what is considered too high mileage. I know maintenance is important. In a Miata maintenance is key (and rust free), as they run forever. Not sure if that is the case for the boxer engine

again, regional forums, there's gotta be someone that'll let you feel it https://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=11

search on google man, this platform has been out for 6 years with minimal changes...last year Consumer Report's rated the twins as the 2nd most reliable car based on everything up to MY16...your questions have been asked a trillion times over on this forum, I'm sure there is a thread from last week with the same concerns.

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Idk, I found it super annoying driving on the street- especially if you were merging or something.

you've been spoiled by torque

if the 86 is miserable, can't imagine how you would feel behind the wheel of something like a Prius

fatoni · 11-05-2018, 09:39 PM

It's not a problem. Aware of it sometimes but that's about it.

86MLR · 11-05-2018, 10:14 PM

It's on par with the MX5, I had a NB series1, you mash the pedal and nothing really happens, it's fun like the 5 as you need to wring its neck.

Handling wise, it's almost on par, but, you can feel the extra weight of the 86.

In saying that, I enjoy my 86.

In saying that, again, the 86, as the 5, needs some handling mods and camber solutions, you have some in the 5, the 86 has nothing really from factory.

Some good coilover, tyres and camber really improves the average handling I found with the 86.

The 86 is much more functional than the 5, and in my humble opinion, looks much better.

Mr.ac · 11-05-2018, 11:21 PM

Downshift. Simple fix.
Unless you dive an automatic...then.... well....learn stick.

Ultramaroon · 11-05-2018, 11:53 PM

Not nearly as irritating as reading all the inane complaints and questions about it.

11-05-2018, 08:29 PM	#1
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11-05-2018, 09:20 PM	#6
GrandSport Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Drives: 13 Viper; 14 BRZ; 90 Miata; 18 AMG Location: TX Posts: 382 Thanks: 82 Thanked 230 Times in 128 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Miserable on the street, but on the track I just kept the revs up. I never really fell into the torque dip. No real reason to be in the torque dip. If I was in it, I was at the very end of it. From what I read, it's pretty easily cured with a header though. I haven't autoXed in forever, forget an 86, so I'm not sure if it's different there. __________________ 2014 BRZ: WRL Build (GP2) Gutted, caged, coilovers, AP enduro, etc- 2014 FRS: Similar WRL Build. Back up / parts / practice race car. 2013 Viper GTS : Tractive Coilovers, ACR sway bars, aero, carbon, exhaust, etc. 1992 NA Spec Miata: 1.6 + 1999 NB Spec Miata: 1.8 w/ all the goodies. 2022 CT5 Blackwing: Stock.

11-05-2018, 09:39 PM	#11
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86MLR Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Drives: 2002 VX Commodore SS LS1 Auto Location: Sydney Posts: 2,203 Thanks: 500 Thanked 2,185 Times in 1,111 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It's on par with the MX5, I had a NB series1, you mash the pedal and nothing really happens, it's fun like the 5 as you need to wring its neck. Handling wise, it's almost on par, but, you can feel the extra weight of the 86. In saying that, I enjoy my 86. In saying that, again, the 86, as the 5, needs some handling mods and camber solutions, you have some in the 5, the 86 has nothing really from factory. Some good coilover, tyres and camber really improves the average handling I found with the 86. The 86 is much more functional than the 5, and in my humble opinion, looks much better. __________________ Disclaimer: This post represents the official views of the voices in my head at the time of posting. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133311 I'm only here for the biscuits

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Autoenthusiastasm Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Drives: 2013 BRZ Limited - stock Location: Upstate NY Posts: 62 Thanks: 9 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Not yet. Looking, but the closest one available is an hour away.

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