STANCE coilovers

[boredom.is.me]

Originally Posted by Coastermikey

Been waiting for them to put out a set of coils

Originally Posted by denkigrve

They wouldn't be the first do that. The D2 coils are also setup that way:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8739

I don't think it's going to do anything but make the car oversteer, but that's great for slideways driving.

Take into account the moment arms.

[Asterisked Accolade]

I tend to cringe when i hear "stance" in the car world. I picture a car scraping the ground like a bull-dozer and with overly cambered wheels. But either way i'd like to see a picture of these coilovers installed.

[denkigrve]

Originally Posted by boredom.is.me

Take into account the moment arms.

What?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by denkigrve

What?

i think hes pointing out that because of the different types of suspension the rates front to rear arent directly comparable

[denkigrve]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i think hes pointing out that because of the different types of suspension the rates front to rear arent directly comparable

He specifically mentions the "something" of the arms. I'm going to assume movement. Coilovers aren't arms. Nor do they adjust those. The valving of the shocks can be different, but overall you'r dynamically changing the balance of the car in a MAJOR way by swapping the front to back spring ratios.

I'm not sure if this will help when staggering wheels though. I'm not enough of a physics wiz to figure that out, but since Stance primarily is focused on hella flush, it might be to counteract the changes of going with staggered setups?

I dunno, seeing spring rates like this though make me think they just applied a previous setup to this car thinking "this'll work just fine" without doing much testing other than making sure the car won't break. The valving is the key though, but it doesn't make logical sense to me to change the dynamics of such a well balanced car THAT much differently without destroying what makes it so great/fun to drive to begin with. Different strokes for different folks. It's one of the joys of tuning.

[boredom.is.me]

The distance from the pivot point is called the moment. Aren't the rear shocks mounted closer to the pivot point?

[denkigrve]

Here is a quick shot that shows the shocks on the control arms:

[xwd]

Originally Posted by denkigrve

He specifically mentions the "something" of the arms. I'm going to assume movement. Coilovers aren't arms. Nor do they adjust those. The valving of the shocks can be different, but overall you'r dynamically changing the balance of the car in a MAJOR way by swapping the front to back spring ratios.

I'm not sure if this will help when staggering wheels though. I'm not enough of a physics wiz to figure that out, but since Stance primarily is focused on hella flush, it might be to counteract the changes of going with staggered setups?

I dunno, seeing spring rates like this though make me think they just applied a previous setup to this car thinking "this'll work just fine" without doing much testing other than making sure the car won't break. The valving is the key though, but it doesn't make logical sense to me to change the dynamics of such a well balanced car THAT much differently without destroying what makes it so great/fun to drive to begin with. Different strokes for different folks. It's one of the joys of tuning.

Those look like typical Impreza spring rates...

[denkigrve]

Originally Posted by dwx

Those look like typical Impreza spring rates...

That's exactly what has me concerned. Companies just applying solutions for other cars to this one just to get in quickly. I hope that's not the case we'll see!

[clickfiveZ]

Just got back from Stance USA for installation. Lowered it 1.5 inches front and 1.75 rear. 7K front/5K rear rates was too soft so they switched it to 7K/7K (which were the spring rates they used on the track in Japan). From the brief ride home 25miles on hwy/city- the ride is so far as comfortable and balanced as stock =)

[M3MPHIS]

Originally Posted by clickfiveZ

Im getting the 1st set in the US installed tomorrow. I'll post some pics. Spring rates 7k/5k

http://shop.tougefactory.com/stance-...ort-coilovers/

So you are the one that they cancelled on me for... Hope you enjoy them. I guess I get to wait for the next version they need to test...

[denkigrve]

Originally Posted by clickfiveZ

Just got back from Stance USA for installation. Lowered it 1.5 inches front and 1.75 rear. 7K front/5K rear rates was too soft so they switched it to 7K/7K (which were the spring rates they used on the track in Japan). From the brief ride home 25miles on hwy/city- the ride is so far as comfortable and balanced as stock =)

Curious as to why lower in the rear than the front? Why not maintain an equal balance? You gonna get any wheels?

[boonFRS]

Originally Posted by denkigrve

Curious as to why lower in the rear than the front? Why not maintain an equal balance? You gonna get any wheels?

I 2nd this too. Curious as to why the rear is lower?

[Esoteric]

There are many reasons different rates are popping up, many companies are applying rates they "feel" will work.

As a matter of fact, 7k 5k could work- but the rear geometry of the FT86 will allow too much toe-in under roll, and many cars are full weight so they are still controlling plenty of weight in the rear.
If anything, this will feel WAY different than a stock FRS and people may or may not like that. For a company like stance who is mainly a part of the drifting world (not the "hellaflush" world as their name implies), that doesn't make sense for the target demographic.

Many people are under the impression that the delta, or difference of the front to rear rate must stay the same, but as you can see from the aftermarket- and even the difference from OEM BRZ to FRS, there isn't yet any consensus.
Also, many of the legitimate companies will also alter the suspension geometry, tires, and alignment- and some are more into track driving, than drifting or street use. Opinions from test driver to driver vary as well.

Right now more rear rate is the hot setup: until people start altering rear geometry - higher rear rates make the stock geometry work and rotate by breaking the rear loose in a fun and progressive way.

My experience with Stance on customers cars: nice after sale support and warranty. Most people are happy with them and they are a fun entry level choice. If something was wrong on a batch of coilovers, they took care of it. As was said, they are not to be compared with KW, but cost much less.