how likely is it that we will see any of these on the 2014 model frs?

[Grimlock]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Burnout? In this car? hahahaha, Jay Leno couldn't even get this car to do a burn out (

Check out the 13min mark for the attempt) Please stop kidding yourself, this is not a muscle car.

It's uphill, sure, but it's a burn out.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUNywnlZ5d0"]DTA SCION FR-S DOING HER FIRST BURNOUT - YouTube[/ame]

[Opposed]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Burnout? In this car? hahahaha, Jay Leno couldn't even get this car to do a burn out (

Check out the 13min mark for the attempt) Please stop kidding yourself, this is not a muscle car.

If you're happy accepting a sub-par vehicle, go ahead. I for one will wait till I see something that matches up to Toyota quality of the day, not something that matches up to my 10 year old Toyota. Don't get me wrong, it's a great car however, in Scion form it's lacking.

That's what happens when Jay leaves the traction control on...

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by BoostinIX

Let's be realistic here. Scion isn't exactly doing that well these days. Bringing it here as a Toyota would have been a maaajor blow to Scion. Trying to keep the brand going.

Not having a sports car for 7 years has been a major blow to Toyota. People don't even think Toyota can or ever have made sports cars these days, thanks to this. The point of this car was to revive Toyota, not Scion. Scion can get it's own car.. oh wait, that's right they don't make any, they steal them all from Toyota and reduce them to shells of their Toyota counterparts.

Seriously though, Scion never should have been created and should have been left to die a long time ago. One car will not change that. Yes, it'll keep them a float a bit longer, but it won't solve everything. Scion is still Scion, they are only delaying the inevitable. At the expense of Toyota fans, such as myself.


As for the burnout vid, you still missed the point. This car isn't meant for burnouts and power displays like a muscle car, it's meant to be thrown into turns and handle.

[BoostinIX]

Completely agree. They had huge hopes for the iQ, and we see how that's worked out....

[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Not having a sports car for 7 years has been a major blow to Toyota. People don't even think Toyota can or ever have made sports cars these days, thanks to this.

This. I'll be honest, I've never been much of a car guy, hoping to change that with the FR-S, and when I've looked at Toyota's line-up all I see are the camry's and corolla's. I will admit, with a bit of shame, that the phrase "Toyota's racing heritage" puzzled me at first.

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by Nevermore

This. I'll be honest, I've never been much of a car guy, hoping to change that with the FR-S, and when I've looked at Toyota's line-up all I see are the camry's and corolla's. I will admit, with a bit of shame, that the phrase "Toyota's racing heritage" puzzled me at first.

Thanks for proving my point. Also, nothing to be ashamed of, it's not your fault. It's Toyota's. They should have kept up with their heritage instead of leaving us out in the cold, they've begun restoring that elsewhere in the world but N.A. for some reason, didn't get the memo.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Thanks for proving my point. Also, nothing to be ashamed of, it's not your fault. It's Toyota's. They should have kept up with their heritage instead of leaving us out in the cold, they've begun restoring that elsewhere in the world but N.A. for some reason, didn't get the memo.

^This just goes to show that you can't please everyone. We get the point, you were probably the creator of the banner with crying baby with the Scion emblem and the FT86 concept, right?

People are still going to buy this car, and apparently that pisses you off.

[Memphis]

Originally Posted by Opposed

That's what happens when Jay leaves the traction control on...

I have an auto and can turn the wheels all day. I know a manual can do it for a fact. My friends tires are almost bald already :p

[Memphis]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

As for the burnout vid, you still missed the point. This car isn't meant for burnouts and power displays like a muscle car, it's meant to be thrown into turns and handle.

You said Jay Leno couldn't even get the car to do a burnout.

At what point were you trying to say it was for throwing it into corners?

You just said it was not a muscle car. I myself can point out a lot of non-muscle cars that can do burnouts. :p

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

^This just goes to show that you can't please everyone. We get the point, you were probably the creator of the banner with crying baby with the Scion emblem and the FT86 concept, right?

People are still going to buy this car, and apparently that pisses you off.

I was not the creator of that banner, although I did get a chuckle out of it.

I never said people buying the car pisses me off, in fact I've congratulated people who have purchased one on this site. As I've said time and time again, to each their own.

My piss off is that "my own" is offered everywhere else in the world but not in N.A. I'm not being given the option, as that's Scion's way of doing things and I don't like that. If they had released the Toyota as the high spec alongside the Scion as the base spec with the Subaru being it's own flavour of both, I'd be fine. Suby fans get what they want, Scion fans get what they want, Toyota fans get what they want. Instead Toyota has hung some of us out to dry.

When the president and CEO of Toyota gives his word a Toyota sports car will be built and sold, after seven years of not having one, and then doesn't follow through with that in North America? As a long standing Toyota fan, that gets me right in the soft spot, it also pisses me off.

Originally Posted by Memphis

You said Jay Leno couldn't even get the car to do a burnout.

At what point were you trying to say it was for throwing it into corners?

You just said it was not a muscle car. I myself can point out a lot of non-muscle cars that can do burnouts. :p

I did say that and he couldn't. Until now I had not seen a single video of the car doing a burnout but that wasn't the point. As you have pointed out, i said it is not a muscle car. I believed that implied enough, apparently it did not so I clarified.

I see you are still missing the point as well. Just because it can do a burnout doesn't mean that is the appeal of the car, which was the pretense the poster was trying to dangle in our faces as being the draw to the car.

[Memphis]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

I did say that and he couldn't. Until now I had not seen a single video of the car doing a burnout but that wasn't the point. As you have pointed out, i said it is not a muscle car. I believed that implied enough, apparently it did not so I clarified.

I see you are still missing the point as well. Just because it can do a burnout doesn't mean that is the appeal of the car, which was the pretense the poster was trying to dangle in our faces as being the draw to the car.

Bud I was just making a "point" that your "point" was nothing more than a tunnel vision remark towards the word (burnout) instead of hollywoods entire post.

I get your "point" but it seems that you missed his. He was not dangling burnouts over anyone.

He was basically saying that while people wait for their perfect factory setup (never going to happen) that he and everyone else on here with one will be out enjoying what is supposed to be a bare bones sports car anyway.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by _hollywood

All these threads about " should i wait for the 2014 2018 2024 fr-s "just means this guy will never actually buy one....the fr-s is here now, in a world of cookie cutter cars this one stands out, just buy it now instead of waiting for a " better" model. Cmon already

Look what happened to the wrx guys..the 2013 looks like a kia 4 door.....so just keep waiting and waiting man thats a good idea, im gonna go do a couple burnouts in mine while you are " waiting" for some factory hids and push start...

That sounds like a young 20's-live-in-the-moment-and-buy-it-as-soon-as-you-can-so-you-can-brag-to-your-buddies way of thinking.

Good and wise consumers wait and tbh, a lot of the members who have been here for years during the MKI concept still haven't bought the car yet.

Originally Posted by pr086

push button start

HID headlights

small increase to horse power

flattening out of the torque dip in the power band.

lighter curb weight

do you think any or all of these will be a possibility for the 2014 model? i know i saw a post on here about an improved intake system for the next model, so it's got me thinking. i plan on at least waiting till the 2014's are anounced before i buy.

I think fog lights, push start will be added to the options list along with different exterior colors.

[Exhaust]

Originally Posted by imravenit

There making more money actually this way people are buying jdm parts here in united states..

Yeah but they would make a even greater overhead by making it mainstream. Too few people are actually willing to pay the JDM bling price. Much would rather have it straight from the manufacturer.

[stalon320]

I would assume a Release Series.. in a special color.. perhaps Yellow? with matching stitching on the interior. Also Different tail lights using LEDs.. maybe even an HID kit for the fronts. of course the car will get a spoiler.. perhaps lowered.. maybe a push start/stop button.. I wouldn't expect HP increase and the car is very light as is.. so doubt that will happen either. Of course.. the Convertible has been greenlit for 2014.. so we will see that as well..