Um guys? Scion's Own FT86 Coming to New York Show Next month?

[Siriusly.Andrew]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

imo....the Matrix looks like a van. Like the XRS (2005 body style), the motor is the only thing worth notating about it. Wrong chassis, wrong dimensions for anything to do with "cool" looking or being track worthy.

I don't think a New "car" can equate to the buzz that a New "company" produces, so that could be a driving force behind the creation of a whole entity. At the time of Scion's creation, no one was buzzing about a RWD 2+2 coupe. Then came along the Gen Coupe to sorta inject something into that (but poor performance imo), and then all of a sudden everyone is screaming for an affordable RWD 2+2 coupe sports car.

A van? I'm a little butt hurt over that comment lol. I really enjoy the 03/04 styling. 05 Went totally wrong, but they don't look like a van to me at all. The only angle I don't thoroughly enjoy is the back end, but thats like 90% of the cars on the market today, all the back ends look horrible to me lol.

As for buzz over a new company, I guess you can't really compare anything to it equally so yeah I guess thats a good point. I still don't think it was the greatest idea they've ever had over at TMC but what do I know about running the best selling car company in the world...

[Archer256]

Originally Posted by matadormi5

Because they didn't have a stated "design-language" until a few years ago.

I mean, how original can you be with making a car nowadays?--everything has 4 wheels, some doors, a windshield, must obey pedestrian safety standards, have similar power and features to be competitive and reasonably priced.

Current Sonata and Accent look much more exciting. I'd much rather have one of those over the Accord or Camry and Civic or Corolla. Take the badges off and take everything into consideration, it's easy to see the appeal of the Hyundai imo.

Hyundai has made some gutsy moves in the recent years and deserves the recognition.

the accent maybe an original design but everything else is a rip off of a Honda/Acura or a Toyota, ESPECIALLY Lexus. Dear god the, Equus is a total LS wannabe and the Sonata is like a mutated TSX from the back. They want to beat Toyota/Lexus by being what Toyota/Lexus is/was high quality for lower price. I mean yes Hyundai isn't the worst anymore but im sorry you will never be in the same tier as Lexus/BMW/Mercedes i consider them toyota/honda level.

an yeah it's possible they arent sure how the ft-86 will do in the US, if successful they may scrap it from Scion and put it in Toyota...heck they may even scrap scion completely.

[GameOvr]

"More intriguingly is word that Scion will bring its own version of the FT-86 to the Big Apple's auto show, although don't expect a production version – this will be yet another concept...."

^this
anyhow, its just a rumor.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

A van? I'm a little butt hurt over that comment lol. I really enjoy the 03/04 styling. 05 Went totally wrong, but they don't look like a van to me at all. The only angle I don't thoroughly enjoy is the back end, but thats like 90% of the cars on the market today, all the back ends look horrible to me lol.

As for buzz over a new company, I guess you can't really compare anything to it equally so yeah I guess thats a good point. I still don't think it was the greatest idea they've ever had over at TMC but what do I know about running the best selling car company in the world...

Different strokes for different folks I reckon. People think my car looks to girly....well not MY car, but a stock one.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Different strokes for different folks I reckon. People think my car looks to girly....well not MY car, but a stock one.

I was just gonna say that your car looks a little too pedestrian for my taste

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

imo....the Matrix looks like a van. Like the XRS (2005 body style), the motor is the only thing worth notating about it. Wrong chassis, wrong dimensions for anything to do with "cool" looking or being track worthy.

I don't think a New "car" can equate to the buzz that a New "company" produces, so that could be a driving force behind the creation of a whole entity. At the time of Scion's creation, no one was buzzing about a RWD 2+2 coupe. Then came along the Gen Coupe to sorta inject something into that (but poor performance imo), and then all of a sudden everyone is screaming for an affordable RWD 2+2 coupe sports car.

I'm going to passionately disagree here. Three letters: WRX. Must've dropped the average age of Subaru buyers by like 20 years.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I was just gonna say that your car looks a little too pedestrian for my taste

Originally Posted by Dimman

I'm going to passionately disagree here. Three letters: WRX. Must've dropped the average age of Subaru buyers by like 20 years.

Does Subaru have anything equivalent to a Prius in it's line up?

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

...Does Subaru have anything equivalent to a Prius in it's line up?

Not really, they're more like Mazda except without the RWD sports cars and instead have their AWD, rally inspired, sports cars . Subaru doesn't even sell a hybrid electric car.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Not really, they're more like Mazda except without the RWD sports cars and instead have their AWD, rally inspired, sports cars . Subaru doesn't even sell a hybrid electric car.

Wasn't there a rumour that they would be using some of Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive, as kind of a 'trade' for the FT86 work?

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Not really, they're more like Mazda except without the RWD sports cars and instead have their AWD, rally inspired, sports cars . Subaru doesn't even sell a hybrid electric car.

My point exactly....not much of a reputation for making "boring" commuter cars to begin with.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Wasn't there a rumour that they would be using some of Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive, as kind of a 'trade' for the FT86 work?

I don't know that sounds familiar.

If they wanted to build a hybrid then Toyota's HSD would be logical. If they wanted to sell a hybrid they could just rebadge a Toyota. The only current Hybrid system that allows for a manual gearbox is Honda's IMA and while it is cheaper and allows for a manual gearbox, it's gotten some ire for being less efficient than HSD.

[serialk11r]

I'm pretty sure IMA not being as efficient has more to do with the gas engine itself, seeing that Toyota goes Atkinson on their hybrids as well as downsizing the engine, while Honda only bothers to downsize. Not to mention they seem pretty behind on developing newer valve technology and direct injection. A full parallel hybrid allows for greater regeneration under breaking, and a slightly smaller gas engine, but at highway cruising power you can't really go much below 1.3 liters, which is around what Civic/Prius use.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

My point exactly....not much of a reputation for making "boring" commuter cars to begin with.

Before the WRX, Subaru's reputation was wagons for upper-middle-class former hippies that liked to ski. Like a weirder, less popular Japanese version of Volvo. Completely boring.

And according to Tosh.O, lesbians, still.

[Aki]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

I'm pretty sure IMA not being as efficient has more to do with the gas engine itself

Engine displacement isn't bigger on an Insight, and think the Insight is actually slower. Toyota's hybrid tech is simply better than IMA, IMA gives very lackluster fuel economy for being a hybrid.