Does electronic aids help or ...

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by gcranston

Exactly. And if the VSC light isn't flashing at you in the middle of the dash the system isn't activating at all.

Nope. Incorrect. It regularly overrides throttle without informing the driver.

[DarkPira7e]

Throw my hat in the "dislike interference" bucket. Often I miss my E36 fleet because I never needed worry about a computer questioning my intent. In the snow it's infuriating if I forget to disable it. Haven't ever had it come on in the dry months when I left it on by mistake (read: I don't spin my tires) but I imagine I'd be more likely to cause an accident anticipating, correcting, and then the car decides to make a correction on top of me.

[gcranston]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Nope. Incorrect. It regularly overrides throttle without informing the driver.

Say what? How's that work?

[Stang70Fastback]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Nope. Incorrect. It regularly overrides throttle without informing the driver.

Then your car is broken.

[Tcoat]

I can't take it anymore!


*Do electronic aids help or ...

[ermax]

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

but I imagine I'd be more likely to cause an accident anticipating, correcting, and then the car decides to make a correction on top of me.

But it's the other way around. The computer detects a problem, then you detect a problem, then computer reacts and then you react on top of the computer.

The computer is super fast with its responses.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by gcranston

Say what? How's that work?

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback

Then your car is broken.

*sigh* I guess I have to take some logs to prove my point. It takes a sensitive butt dyno. Stay tuned. I'll stack this onto the pile.

For now, stab the throttle mid-turn. Then do the same in pedal-dance mode.

Next time driving at highway speed in heavy rain, do the same in a straight line. Hopefully you'll notice how it pulls throttle when it detects even the slightest hint of hydroplane.

[Stang70Fastback]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

*sigh* I guess I have to take some logs to prove my point. It takes a sensitive butt dyno. Stay tuned. I'll stack this onto the pile.

For now, stab the throttle mid-turn. Then do the same in pedal-dance mode.

Next time driving at highway speed in heavy rain, do the same in a straight line. Hopefully you'll notice how it pulls throttle when it detects even the slightest hint of hydroplane.

I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm just saying it always illuminates the dash light when doing so. At least it is supposed to. It would go against the vehicle's programming for the TC or SC to engage without alerting the driver via the lights on the instrument cluster.

Think about it. There are ZERO benefits to the system intervening without a visual cue. Otherwise all you are doing is confusing the driver, and potentially making them think something is wrong with the car.

I have a very sensitive butt dyno, and I've never had the car step in without visual confirmation.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback

I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm just saying it always illuminates the dash light when doing so. At least it is supposed to. It would go against the vehicle's programming for the TC or SC to engage without alerting the driver via the lights on the instrument cluster.

Think about it. There are ZERO benefits to the system intervening without a visual cue. Otherwise all you are doing is confusing the driver, and potentially making them think something is wrong with the car.

I have a very sensitive butt dyno, and I've never had the car step in without visual confirmation.

I think it only blinks when it taps the brakes. I'm dead serious about the no-warning throttle pull. I think it doesn't flash because drivers would complain if they knew just how much the system intervenes.

[ermax]

Forsure it kicks in from time to time without the light. It seems to only light up when it's getting belligerent which it is typically. Maybe there have been changes to how it works. My car is a 2013.

[Stang70Fastback]

I'll have to take my car out next time it rains and **** around and see what happens. Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe I just am always aggressive enough with the throttle that I've never experienced the "gentle reduction" mode, lol.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback

I'll have to take my car out next time it rains and **** around and see what happens. Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe I just am always aggressive enough with the throttle that I've never experienced the "gentle reduction" mode, lol.

Unless you regularly pedal dance, you would never notice because the behavior is the same with the long press.

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by ermax

But it's the other way around. The computer detects a problem, then you detect a problem, then computer reacts and then you react on top of the computer.

The computer is super fast with its responses.

Haha, I meant to infer that I'd be the one causing the issue. My action would be in anticipation for my to-be snow drift. There wouldn't actually be something wrong yet until my input made it so.

Clear as mud, right? I understand what you're saying. Much like the AYC in the Evo. An oblivious driver likely would be none the wiser to the microcorrections because sensors report and respond so quickly. Having worked in production, sensors are insanity, and anyone who thinks they can react faster than a tuned sensor is likely experiencing the effects of heavy drugs or alcohol poisoning.

[PhyrraM]

2017 manual transmission BRZ.
100% stock other than the Harrop supoercharger and Flexfuel combo.
The TC light will flash on only engine engine cut every time. It can be invoked at will, and will intervene even while still in a straight line without the back end stepping out.