Will the new Supra kill the resale value of my 86

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

It Toyota and Subaru stop making them the value will likely go up, not down.

Yep. Supply and demand rules.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Tcoat auto corrected to goat!

I would take a Goat! Even in auto.

[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by pcguru2000

Toyota said 2018 is going to be the last 86. That combined with the new Supra, why would anyone want to buy our used 86? (Especially mine since I did 72 months financing)

Please tell me it was at 0% interest.

[pcguru2000]

Originally Posted by wbradley

PCGuru2000 is obviously someone in the know at Toyota testing the waters out here LOL

Drats Batman, they discovered our plot! LOL

Originally Posted by unhappymeal

Please tell me it was at 0% interest.

0.9% (less than a thousand in interest for the life of the loan)

Originally Posted by SCQTT

I'm sure you have other, more important, things to worry about, don't you?

Yes, another solar storm like 1859 that will send us back to the dark ages. Does this count? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Link with proof or I call BS.

I believe I"m wrong here and I apologize about saying that 2018 is the last year. The article was looking at had the title "Toyota confirms it will replace 86." This was pure click-bait and I was half asleep when I read the title and part of the article. This is the link on the article but don't click on it and give them anymore clicks. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Bd0G6OaARaZJUm

https://www.motoring.com.au/toyota-c...ace-86-104987/

[pcguru2000]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And how much of what you read is real vs blog fiction?

That's why I ask questions here...to separate the blogs from the fics

Originally Posted by Tcoat

At the difference between $15,000 and $50,0000 I can think of about 35,000 reasons.

The supra is going to be around 40K

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...-supra-preview
Page 12.
Price "Around 40k"

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...py-photos-news

Not sure where you are getting $15K. I priced out a current new toyota 86 for purchase with springs dual exhaust and the sway bar it's almost $35k
2018 86 GT Black
2.0L 4-Cyl. Engine, 6 Speed Automatic Transmission
STARTING MSRP $29,105
EXTERIOR COLOR
Ablaze $0
INTERIOR COLOR
Black Leather Trim $0
PACKAGES
50 State Emissions $0
ACCESSORIES
TRD 17-in. Forged Wheel - Matte Gray $1,650
TRD Brake Pads $70
TRD Lowering Springs $639
TRD Performance Dual Exhaust $1,100
TRD Sway Bar Kit $550
DELIVERY, PROCESSING & HANDLING FEE $895
$0 (No Cost)
TOTAL PRICE (MSRP) (AS BUILT) $34,009

$34K VS $40K is a $6K difference right?

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It isn't a supra. Comparing the two would be silly at best.

You are absolutely right. And with a 6K difference to get a supra...it makes you think.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by pcguru2000

https://www.motoring.com.au/toyota-confirms-it-will-replace-86-104987/

LOL no clicks needed to know it is crap!

[bcj]

No.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by pcguru2000

That's why I ask questions here...to separate the blogs from the fics



The supra is going to be around 40K

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...-supra-preview
Page 12.
Price "Around 40k"

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...py-photos-news

Not sure where you are getting $15K. I priced out a current new toyota 86 for purchase with springs dual exhaust and the sway bar it's almost $35k
2018 86 GT Black
2.0L 4-Cyl. Engine, 6 Speed Automatic Transmission
STARTING MSRP $29,105
EXTERIOR COLOR
Ablaze $0
INTERIOR COLOR
Black Leather Trim $0
PACKAGES
50 State Emissions $0
ACCESSORIES
TRD 17-in. Forged Wheel - Matte Gray $1,650
TRD Brake Pads $70
TRD Lowering Springs $639
TRD Performance Dual Exhaust $1,100
TRD Sway Bar Kit $550
DELIVERY, PROCESSING & HANDLING FEE $895
$0 (No Cost)
TOTAL PRICE (MSRP) (AS BUILT) $34,009

$34K VS $40K is a $6K difference right?

We have no clue what the new "Supra" will cost yet. No prices have been released. In fact even the name "Supra" has not been officilay confirmed by Toyota.


I got the $15K number from this statement "That combined with the new Supra, why would anyone want to buy our used 86?". Remember that?


You put every single option you could on to make that $34K car which is very unlikely to happen. If you pick the top trim and all the add ons that they will eventually have for the "Supra" you would probably still hit a $15K gap even at fully dressed.
Oh and the 86 comes with "dual" exhaust already you just added TRD exhaust.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by pcguru2000

The supra is going to be around 40K

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

40k like the original 20k, 2500lb, 260hp ft86, silly.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not really accurate either. The car is a strong average. Yes, some have less depreciation but just as many have more. These are someplace right in the middle.

I think you are right, only because:

--a lot of 86's have extensive add-ons/mods;
--the car was already cheap;
--and unlike luxury cars that plummet in value, the 86 isn't leased as often, nor can the sellers afford to take a hit like luxury car owners

On the other side, it seems like cars that are prone to getting the ebay and vinyl treatment are likely to depreciate faster.

Originally Posted by pcguru2000

I've been binge reading about the new Supra and I'm filed with dread about the 86.

Toyota said 2018 is going to be the last 86. That combined with the new Supra, why would anyone want to buy our used 86? (Especially mine since I did 72 months financing)

What about insurance costs being higher since parts won't be easily available since production is ending?

Will our only source of parts be from Subaru?

I'm already dreading the comment next year. "just remember, it's an 86 not a Supra" just like the Jeep jerks say to Forrester owners, it's not a Jeep.

Everyone here is very excited about the new Supra but will this make our 86 the red headed step child of Toyota which gets put to for adoption?

At the very least Toyota should show some loyalty to us and continue production for a few more years

I believe manufacturers are required to supply OEM parts for their vehicles for several years after their last model is sold. There are powertrain warranties for cars that are 10 years, so they could be violating their own warranty, and what about covering emission equipment, which is federal law?

Just some info for you...everyone else covered the other points.

[HKz]

im happy everyone set the OP straight here...




...but IMO the biggest difference that will probably keep the 86 hype going is the very real possibility of an automatic only MK5 Supra

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I think you are right, only because:

--a lot of 86's have extensive add-ons/mods;
--the car was already cheap;
--and unlike luxury cars that plummet in value, the 86 isn't leased as often, nor can the sellers afford to take a hit like luxury car owners

On the other side, it seems like cars that are prone to getting the ebay and vinyl treatment are likely to depreciate faster.



I believe manufacturers are required to supply OEM parts for their vehicles for several years after their last model is sold. There are powertrain warranties for cars that are 10 years, so they could be violating their own warranty, and what about covering emission equipment, which is federal law?

Just some info for you...everyone else covered the other points.

There is no "requirement" for them to have a stock of parts. Like I said before they don't make parts anyway. "OEM" is sort of a slippery slope as well. Many different suppliers can make the same parts over the history of a model and each one of them would be the "OEM" at that point in time. Contracts come and go and the exact same thing can be made by different place even in the middle of a production run. It is a very cutthroat business.


However...Most contracts include a service parts requirement that can extend several years after a car is made. They can also still order parts that they need from the places that actually make them. A couple of times a year were run off a service order for a few thousand rotors for cars that have not been in production for 10 or 15 years. As long as there is a demand somebody will make the parts that are required. You can go online right now and buy new parts (not new old stock) for a Model T.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by HKz

im happy everyone set the OP straight here...




...but IMO the biggest difference that will probably keep the 86 hype going is the very real possibility of an automatic only MK5 Supra

Maybe if they turn MF Ghost into an Anime our cars will become more desirable?