Terrible Resale Value?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I don't know, I drove my '85 MR2 for 160,000 miles, many of them falling into the "practical" realm. Heck, I brought my oldest son home from the hospital in mine when he was born. Of course, rules were a bit different then.

LOL Yep
The infant car seat that we used to take our firstborn home in.



Of course the car had no seat belts so in the event of a bad crash the whole family was doomed anyway.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

One was designed from the ground up for performance. The other was designed from the ground up as a $7K econobox, then had parts swapped and added to provide additional trim levels. That they both ended up with similar superficial configurations is irrelevant. A bat will never be a bird, despite both having wings.

What makes for a good econobox that makes for a bad sports car?

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

You can call or define the AE86 whatever you like, but fact is that it had a great rally and drift heritage.

The reason you drift a Corolla is because it handles like shit and can't take a curve the right way.

Originally Posted by fatoni

What makes for a good econobox that makes for a bad sports car?

I don't even understand that question.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

The reason you drift a Corolla is because it handles like shit and can't take a curve the right way.



I don't even understand that question.

You discredit the ae86 for being based off an economy car. Why is that a bad thing?

[reeves]

Not that anyone's interested anymore in OP's original question, but just thought I'd share:

Last week, without even checking out my car, my credit union offered me a $14K personal loan, borrowing against the value of my '13 BRZ Premium.. currently with ~76K miles. This is the same credit union I financed my BRZ with btw. I guess that's a good estimate of what they think my car's worth.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by fatoni

You discredit the ae86 for being based off an economy car. Why is that a bad thing?

I don't really harbor any negative opinions about the Corolla. It was fine for what it was, a dumpy econobox. I'm objecting to people making more out of it than it was and trying to pretend it's a sports car because they watched an anime, then buying into Toyota's idiotic marketing nonsense connecting the 86 to a non-existent sports car heritage.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I don't really harbor any negative opinions about the Corolla. It was fine for what it was, a dumpy econobox. I'm objecting to people making more out of it than it was and trying to pretend it's a sports car because they watched an anime, then buying into Toyota's idiotic marketing nonsense connecting the 86 to a non-existent sports car heritage.

werent you the guy trying to tell me about how it had the lowest cog of any production car? either way, can you answer the question? in my experience, it was a much better sports car than economy car but my experience was limited to only a couple years of ownership.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I don't know, I drove my '85 MR2 for 160,000 miles, many of them falling into the "practical" realm. Heck, I brought my oldest son home from the hospital in mine when he was born. Of course, rules were a bit different then.

I guess by practical I mean being able to haul bigger loads and more people. Toyota specifically designed the car to hold 4 wheels and a jack, how many conventional sports cars can claim that feat? If Toyota's goal was to make a hardcore sports car they could have focused less on interior space or deleted the rear seats, but instead they wanted it to be usable in lots of situations. One of the reasons so many people loved the AE86 is because it was 'sporty', but it had usuable space (especially the hatch). Compared to the FC RX7, MK1 MR2, or 300zx it was a lot more practical. Did Honda even have a RWD coupe available at that time?

Extrashaky feels like the ZN6 shares more in common with the MR2, but could you imagine the outrage and confusion from fanboys if Toyota had actually labeled this car as a MR2? People wouldn't understand why a FR, 4 seater would be marketed as such.They could have called it the Celica, but most people would recall the unattractive, fwd, 7th gen version.

In my opinion, out of all of Toyota's previous models ever made, the 86 makes the most sense for the ZN6.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fatoni

werent you the guy trying to tell me about how it had the lowest cog of any production car? either way, can you answer the question? in my experience, it was a much better sports car than economy car but my experience was limited to only a couple years of ownership.

Since to the best of my recollection you are the only one in this discussion that has actually owned and drive one. Therefore I lean to your side of the fence. I will however keep one hand firmly on Extras side since I do believe that it has been greatly glorified (beyond the reality) in North America by the anime clan.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Since to the best of my recollection you are the only one in this discussion that has actually owned and drive one. Therefore I lean to your side of the fence. I will however keep one hand firmly on Extras side since I do believe that it has been greatly glorified (beyond the reality) in North America by the anime clan.

It's definitely overhyped. There's a mystique around it. I think that you get a lot of people talking about it who only have stories of the glory days or drift legends. At the time, it was probably great. When I tracked mine around 2007, it was a $3200 track car. The 4age was a more fun engine than the fa20 and both these cars are willing to swap ends when things get hairy with the Corolla being less forgiving. Yeah the interior light came on during hard cornering and the solid rear axle made for a rough ride but I have very fond memories of that car. It sucked but I loved it. I can see myself saying that last sentence about the brz in a decade although for different reasons.

Basically, overrated but still good and the lineage is definitely there.

[Geese1]

I think I first heard of the AE86 when I started watching episodes of Best Motoring and Hot Version back in the middle part of the 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, as I don't think I had ever even heard of Initial D. In fact, it wasn't until years later that I connected their toge segments to the anime (which I've still never seen). Heck, I still don't quite understand the rules of of the event, but it sure is fun to watch!

[yurikaze]

The AE82 may have been a dumpy econobox, but the AE86 was designed from the get-go as being a fun to drive, affordable sports coupe that also offered practicality. That's why it was designed on an entirely different platform from the FWD "family" Corollas. They were even built in entirely different factories for the North American Market. The AE86's were built in Japan, whereas the FWD Corollas were built at NUMMI in NorCal. There is very little shared between the two.

The AE86 may be overhyped due to Initial D, but people tend to overlook the fact it has always been a fantastic driver's car, and like the modern 86, can grow with the driver. It drives very similar to an NA Miata, but with the added rigidity of an enclosed body, and the added stability of a longer wheelbase.

It also takes extremely well to mods. My own AE86 GTS with coilovers, camber plates, panhard bar, TRD clutch-type LSD, and Dunlop Direzza star-spec II's can more than hold its own when compared to my BRZ tS. They both are fantastic at maintaining momentum, and the more technical the track is, the more they shine.

One of the big things the two cars have in common is that they may be only as good as the people driving it, but are always well matched to their skill level.
In the hands of an inexperienced driver, they are slow and safe learning tools, but in the hands of a talented driver, they are fantastic extensions of the driver's own body. Unlike many cars out there, they always seem to be a friend to the driver, doing exactly what you tell them to, and teaching you in return. This connection is something that is loved about both cars throughout the world. This should not be surprising, as during the development of the 86, an AE86 was used for benchmarking purposes.

I don't understand why there seems to be this huge beef between people who own new hachiroku and those that own the originals (both ways). Those of us who have both clearly can see that they are of the same spirit, and can feel one in the other. The new 86/BRZ is a hachiroku through and through.

[humfrz]

How about a tangent to back-in-the-day, when I first started noticing what I considered "sports cars". Yep, around 1955 ...... there were just a few that were sold in the US, that your average (or slightly above average person) could buy.

Anyone notice any similarities ...??




humfrz

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by humfrz

How about a tangent to back-in-the-day, when I first started noticing what I considered "sports cars". Yep, around 1955 ...... there were just a few that were sold in the US, that your average (or slightly above average person) could buy.



Anyone notice any similarities ...??









humfrz