Um guys? Scion's Own FT86 Coming to New York Show Next month?

[FT-86GOD]

LOL ThisGUY coming from someone who drives a camry...

[C-Bone]

Ya Hyundai's aren't the best cars but they have come a LONG way in the past 10years or so plus they have a great warranty, my 03' tib hasn't had too many problems mechanically/electrically that I couldn't fix myself and I'm the 3rd owner. Only major stuff lately is a lot of moisture in the car but I think that's the repair shops fault from when I was rear-ended

[Dragonitti]

Not to mention....SCION IS FUCKING TOYOTA DUMBASS.

[C-Bone]

That too, I was gonna say something but thought it was a well known fact

[Archer256]

hyundai's come a long way yes, but their long term reliability isn't known. pretty sure they wont last as long as japanese cars though.

Scion is toyota -.- you may not like them but they are reliable

[Franisco]

Mechanically the same, but the image is quite different..

[Dark]

Like Franisco said, Scion is not Toyota. Toyota is also not what it used to be anymore.

[C-Bone]

Originally Posted by Archer256

hyundai's come a long way yes, but their long term reliability isn't known. pretty sure they wont last as long as japanese cars though.

You're probably right, I'm sure no one will see an older stock Hyundai with 200k+ miles on it and still running somewhat strong as you might with Toyota or Honda but for the price and warranty they aren't bad for what they offer. And the newer models will probably start running even longer due to newer technology and depending on how the owner takes care of it so like I said they are making their way up but still not quite the best

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Dark

Like Franisco said, Scion is not Toyota. Toyota is also not what it used to be anymore.

His statement insinuated that Scion was like Hyundai. Hyundai is as we know from the past, not very reliable (different today, but that was their rep). In terms of reliability....Scion IS Toyota. In terms of marketing Scion is not Toyota (boring eco cars), and it sure as hell not Hyundai in marketing either.

In the end....His statement was dumb.

Scion was created to tap into the younger demographic than what Toyota has. After the Scion generation got older, the idea was for them to slide over into the Toyota line of vehicles as it fit their growing family needs.

[Archer256]

Originally Posted by C-Bone

You're probably right, I'm sure no one will see an older stock Hyundai with 200k+ miles on it and still running somewhat strong as you might with Toyota or Honda but for the price and warranty they aren't bad for what they offer. And the newer models will probably start running even longer due to newer technology and depending on how the owner takes care of it so like I said they are making their way up but still not quite the best

true but i still have no respect for the brand, they rip off of japanese companies so much it pisses me off when people suck their ****s for "original" design.

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by Archer256

true but i still have no respect for the brand, they rip off of japanese companies so much it pisses me off when people suck their ****s for "original" design.

Because they didn't have a stated "design-language" until a few years ago.

I mean, how original can you be with making a car nowadays?--everything has 4 wheels, some doors, a windshield, must obey pedestrian safety standards, have similar power and features to be competitive and reasonably priced.

Current Sonata and Accent look much more exciting. I'd much rather have one of those over the Accord or Camry and Civic or Corolla. Take the badges off and take everything into consideration, it's easy to see the appeal of the Hyundai imo.

Hyundai has made some gutsy moves in the recent years and deserves the recognition.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

His statement insinuated that Scion.....
In the end....His statement was dumb.

Scion was created to tap into the younger demographic than what Toyota has. After the Scion generation got older, the idea was for them to slide over into the Toyota line of vehicles as it fit their growing family needs.

Agree 100% about his statement being dumb. He actually made me look good lol.

As for Scion being created to tap into the younger demographics... Coulda just built a cool fuckin' car. Pretty sure its a lot cheaper than starting up a whole company.

I mean, I fit perfectly into the Scion "demographic" being 22 years old, and I honestly cringe when I see a Scion commercial / video. Granted there are always outliers but I don't feel Scion was justly created.

Considering they did an amazing job with the first generation Matrix I don't think Scion was needed. I know more people in their mid 20's driving in first gen Matrixes (Matrices?) than I do who drive a Scion. Just sayin' they coulda just built a couple cars under Toyota to capture the younger peeps attention.

I don't think theres anything wrong with one "Brand" carrying a wide variety of products that cater to a wide variety of audiences. I'm pretty sure thats how a company starts off. And last time I checked Hyundai / Kia were doing pretty damn good with the whole line up under one badge.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

Agree 100% about his statement being dumb. He actually made me look good lol.

As for Scion being created to tap into the younger demographics... Coulda just built a cool fuckin' car. Pretty sure its a lot cheaper than starting up a whole company.

I mean, I fit perfectly into the Scion "demographic" being 22 years old, and I honestly cringe when I see a Scion commercial / video. Granted there are always outliers but I don't feel Scion was justly created.

Considering they did an amazing job with the first generation Matrix I don't think Scion was needed. I know more people in their mid 20's driving in first gen Matrixes (Matrices?) than I do who drive a Scion. Just sayin' they coulda just built a couple cars under Toyota to capture the younger peeps attention.

I don't think theres anything wrong with one "Brand" carrying a wide variety of products that cater to a wide variety of audiences. I'm pretty sure thats how a company starts off. And last time I checked Hyundai / Kia were doing pretty damn good with the whole line up under one badge.

imo....the Matrix looks like a van. Like the XRS (2005 body style), the motor is the only thing worth notating about it. Wrong chassis, wrong dimensions for anything to do with "cool" looking or being track worthy.

I don't think a New "car" can equate to the buzz that a New "company" produces, so that could be a driving force behind the creation of a whole entity. At the time of Scion's creation, no one was buzzing about a RWD 2+2 coupe. Then came along the Gen Coupe to sorta inject something into that (but poor performance imo), and then all of a sudden everyone is screaming for an affordable RWD 2+2 coupe sports car.

[Sleeperz]

The probable reason why the FT86 is going to be a SCION in NA and not a Toyota is that the FT86 is an unproven design with unknown reliability.


JD Power's 2011 Vehicle Dependability Study

Toyota is ranked #5 - 122
Scion is ranked #22 - 166 problems per 100 vehicles

Lincoln, Lexus , Jaguar, Porsche, Toyota are the Top 5 in order.


http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/17/j...ncoln-best-b/2