2018 BRZ tS - The Thread for Potential Owners

[Veloist]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I'm sure the tS is fast on the track, but the reviewer has a point. I'm willing to bet a base FRS is more enjoyable to drive on a daily basis. It's roughly 70lbs lighter, easier to oversteer, and doesn't have insane grip. I guess it just depends on what you want to do with the car.

Yes, I related to this part actually:

In a normal BRZ, as you’re whipping through a canyon, you get to spend some of your time dealing with the modest grip and progressive breakaway from the stock tires. On the tS’ gumball Michelins, there’s no drama whatsoever.

This is how I felt when I switched to Pilot Super Sports. It made the car more predictable but at the expense of nimbleness. Primacy's are crappy tires, but Toyota & Subaru knew what they were doing.

I wouldn't go so far as the writer calling it boring though.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Veloist

Yes, I related to this part actually:



This is how I felt when I switched to Pilot Super Sports. It made the car more predictable but at the expense of nimbleness. Primacy's are crappy tires, but Toyota & Subaru knew what they were doing.

I wouldn't go so far as the writer calling it boring though.

Well everybody knows that blue cars are the slowest anyway.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And the first thing that 90% of the people on here tell people to do is get tires with more grip.
Almost everything he said in that review is the total opposite of what the majority of this forum says on most topics.


I especially like this statement. "I’ve never met anyone who has driven a BRZ or the Toyota cousin and asked for more handling. All anyone has ever said is “More power.”


Five minutes of reading threads on here shows that both parts are not the common statements. Yes there are people that like the tires and stock suspension and there are certainly those that want more power but neither of those should be stated as absolutes.

I guess I just wish that Subaru took the same approach to the tS as Honda did with the Integra Type R. It weighed almost 100lbs less than a normal GSR, and it also made more power.

The tS on the otherhand is probably the heaviest 86 to date while having the same power. That along with sticky tires on 18" wheels seems to make the end result slightly underwhelming.

[Veloist]

A handful more literature is coming, all them will be on the first post too.


https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1115075_2018-subaru-brz-ts-first-drive-review-less-sideways-more-stick

[yurikaze]

Originally Posted by Veloist

tl;dr - He thought it was boring & said it needed more power.

A few of the reviews of the STI type RA are also saying it needs more power, so take that as you will. I blame the lack of interesting roads in most of the US, and the misconception that Sports car = drag car.

[Veloist]

By the way, my favorite feedback video for the BRZ tS is this one:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnfnMcOBtEk"]WARNING: Do NOT Buy The 2018 Subaru BRZ tS! - YouTube[/ame]

[yurikaze]

Originally Posted by Veloist

By the way, my favorite feedback video for the BRZ tS is this one:

I saw that video a few days ago. While entertaining, it really drives home the point that most Americans just don't get this car.

Quite a few times I wanted to grab my mouse or keyboard and throw them against a wall while watching this.

[yurikaze]

KBB review:
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the...ew/2100005091/

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

The tS on the otherhand is probably the heaviest 86 to date while having the same power. That along with sticky tires on 18" wheels seems to make the end result slightly underwhelming.

Yes. Almost 200lbs heavier than the early JDM bare-bones car.

[yurikaze]

Edmunds:
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/fir...rst-drive.html

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I guess I just wish that Subaru took the same approach to the tS as Honda did with the Integra Type R. It weighed almost 100lbs less than a normal GSR, and it also made more power.

The tS on the otherhand is probably the heaviest 86 to date while having the same power. That along with sticky tires on 18" wheels seems to make the end result slightly underwhelming.

BRZ Premium Power to Weight = .0735
tS Power to weight= .0721

OH MY GOD HOW CAN IT EVEN MOVE AT ALL WITH THAT .0014 GAP?

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Yes. Almost 200lbs heavier than the early JDM bare-bones car.

who cares? The 3 people in Japan that bought one?

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

BRZ Premium Power to Weight = .0735
tS Power to weight= .0721

OH MY GOD HOW CAN IT EVEN MOVE AT ALL WITH THAT .0014 GAP?



who cares? The 3 people in Japan that bought one?

Meh, I'm sure on the butt dyno it's not a huge difference, but it seems like laziness on Subaru's part. Subaru was able to shed over 60lbs from the STi RA and they even upped the power a little. I am just left wishing they put the same effort into the BRZ.

How cool would it be to get a 2700 pound BRZ (with a carbon fiber roof) that also made 220hp? If they did that I would be trading in my car right now.

Like I said, I'm sure the tS is a special car, I just wish Subaru went the extra mile to distinguish the car from a BRZ with PP.

[Lynxis]

Originally Posted by yurikaze

I saw that video a few days ago. While entertaining, it really drives home the point that most Americans just don't get this car.

Quite a few times I wanted to grab my mouse or keyboard and throw them against a wall while watching this.

They just seem to forget that drag racing isn't the only type of racing out there.

[Veloist]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Like I said, I'm sure the tS is a special car, I just wish Subaru went the extra mile to distinguish the car from a BRZ with PP.

I'm sure they have their reasons but I know what you mean when you said you wanted it to be more along the lines of Integra Type R, which makes sense. I was also thinking that as I wish it was more like the S2000 CR.

They definitely left some upgrades on the table. But considering the way the auto industry, and Subaru itself, is shifting...I strongly believe Subaru won't be bringing anything else more tuned than this to North America again.