2015 wrx tuned versus 86

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by deejaylew

I just want to know what we are comparing this time, I'm lost. He said e85 BRZ to Stage 2 WRX. Which was probably the most asinine thing that has ever been on these boards. Now we are letting him change the mods in question and we are keeping the WRX stock.

Lets do this until he comes up with a winning combo.

Try reading the article I posted. I said that I had road raced a wrx that CLAIMED to have a stage 2 cobb tune while on e85 and we were almost dead even.

I said this because people claiming that our cars were so much slower didn't mete out with my experience and I linked to an article that might explain why.

I stated that based on the article an e85 tuned but otherwise stock 86 would have as much whp as a STOCK wrx and the same power/weight as a STAGE 1 tuned wrx ACCORDING to the article's information.

I said that it would have a better power/weight than a STAGE 1 wrx by having a catless header and e85. I also mentioned that I was NOT basing this from a dig.

Don't put words in my mouth.

Jaden

What a surprise, butt hurt drives a wrx limited LOL...

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by deejaylew

It isn't really, the base wrx is laughably barren with features. Unless something changed. They had halogen lights on the "premium" in 2017. The WRX is a bargain but by the time you get one that looks like a respectable modern vehicle you could have just gotten an STI.

I think that's why I didn't really consider it

[deejaylew]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Try reading the article I posted. I said that I had road raced a wrx that claimed to have a stage 2 cobb tune while on e85 and we were almost dead even.

I said this because people claiming that our cars were so much slower didn't mete out with my experience and I linked to an article that might explain why.

I stated that based on the article an e85 tuned but otherwise stock 86 would have as much whp as a STOCK wrx and the same power/weight as a STAGE 1 tuned wrx ACCORDING to the article's information.

I said that it would have a better power/weight than a STAGE 1 wrx with a catless header and e85. I also mentioned that I was NOT basing this from a dig.

Don't put words in my mouth.

Jaden

I'll say it again in case you missed it, you said you are keeping up with stage 2 WRX's in your e85 BRZ. That is all anyone needs to hear from you, you have proven your knowledge on the subject.

Send me the videos of the time you dusted that EVO in your sick ride.
Don't be that guy.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by deejaylew

I'll say it again in case you missed it, you said you are keeping up with stage 2 WRX's in your e85 BRZ. That is all anyone needs to hear from you, you have proven your knowledge on the subject.

Send me the videos of the time you dusted that EVO in your sick ride.
Don't be that guy.

Well, then you need to talk to the guy who claimed to have a stage 2 cobb tune in his wrx then. Don't fuckin even insinuate that I'm lying. It also could be that he's a shitty driver or was full of shit about the tune.

Jaden

[deejaylew]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Well, then you need to talk to the guy who claimed to have a stage 2 cobb tune in his wrx then. Don't fuckin even insinuate that I'm lying. It also could be that he's a shitty driver or was full of shit about the tune.

Jaden

My point is you should have known it wasn't stage 2 in this hypothetical scenario you created. The logic makes no sense. Unless he doesn't have a second or third gear you would have been completely outclassed. Also the thread is an insult to anyone who buys an 86 for the proper reasons, it's a bad look for everyone when 86 owners are running about spouting nonsense about what the car can and can't do.

Your other statement you made was about having a respectable race with a focus RS, I mean come on man... don't go down like this.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by deejaylew

My point is you should have known it wasn't stage 2 in this hypothetical scenario you created. The logic makes no sense. Unless he doesn't have a second or third gear you would have been completely outclassed. Also the thread is an insult to anyone who buys an 86 for the proper reasons, it's a bad look for everyone when 86 owners are running about spouting nonsense about what the car can and can't do.

Your other statement you made was about having a respectable race with a focus RS, I mean come on man... don't go down like this.

It was a highway pull against the wrx and with the RS I was on cali 91 with stock exhaust...I don't know why I'm feeding the troll other than I have nothing else to do right now.

Nonsense? LOL Everything I've said is backed by the numbers and experience... You're just backed by butthurtedness LOL

The RS wasn't meant to be a race, the guy mouthed off about something completely unrelated and then said something about our cars being slow and took off so I ran him down...

Jaden

p.s. I'm done with this thread, I've made my point for anyone willing to actually look at the info, I should've known that mentioning the ubiquitous WRX would bring out the ones who don't even drive a twin but troll the site to try and put them down at every chance...lol

[InvalidJohnny5]

Lmao in what world is the WRX priced $10k more than a BRZ of the same year/trim? I have owned both cars new. I bought a 2013 Limited BRZ for $27050 when it first came out (at receipt). I bought a 2015 Base WRX for $25000. BTW the WRX would take multiple shits on the BRZ base for base. This is coming from someone that prefers the BRZ over the WRX.

[deejaylew]

Originally Posted by Jaden

It was a highway pull against the wrx and with the RS I was on cali 91 with stock exhaust...I don't know why I'm feeding the troll other than I have nothing else to do right now.

Nonsense? LOL Everything I've said is backed by the numbers and experience... You're just backed by butthurtedness LOL

The RS wasn't meant to be a race, the guy mouthed off about something completely unrelated and then said something about our cars being slow and took off so I ran him down...

Jaden

p.s. I'm done with this thread, I've made my point for anyone willing to actually look at the info, I should've known that mentioning the ubiquitous WRX would bring out the ones who don't even drive a twin but troll the site to try and put them down at every chance...lol

Here's the issue. When someone says the 86 isn't as fast as "X" car, you see that as a put down, I don't view it that way.

I was interested in the twins when it was just a concept, owned it when it released, loved the car. I return to this site because I still love the car, I can still contribute and I'll probably end up buying another.

You on the other hand come across as a boy racer, you will someday make some money and buy a faster car that fits your personality better. Nobody will hear from you again in the 86 community.

This thread was fun, I enjoy some nonsense every once in a while. I mildly trolled you but you really should understand this car isn't "fast" and it shouldn't be respected as such. That isn't the intention and an e86 tune will make it faster but still not "fast".

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Jaden

The point is new for new dollar for dollar. 169$ tactrix, and some e85 makes our cars even with a new wrx...Throw on a 500$ header and it wins handily.

People have constantly said how slow our cars are and ask why don't you just buy a wrx...

It's ten thousand more, it's a sedan and it handles completely differently is the answer. I was just adding in how easy and inexpensive it is to make it just as fast or faster in a straight line as well(although not necessarily from a dig).

Jaden

It's not $10,000 more. The STI is, but the WRX is the same price as the BRZ/FRS.

Furthermore, the same money spent on tuning the FRS and adding headers could be spent on adding a J-pipe and tune on the WRX. At that point, the WRX would be getting close to the 300whp mark, meaning the car is putting out 350ish at the crank. It'll demolish an FRS/BRZ. That's my point. It'll all semantics because you can always just add money to one after the fact and to make it faster than something else.

But if we're talking about the same end price... FRS with E85 tune and headers (~200whp) is the same price as a WRX with J-pip and tune (~290whp). Hell, you can add E85 to the WRX very easily just like you can with the FRS and then we're talking around the 330whp range. It's just a rabbit hole, that's all I'm saying. This isn't rocket science though. One is N/A, the other is turbo. Naturally, it's going to be much easier to extract more power from the turbocharged vehicle than the N/A vehicle.

But like I said, the cars were built for different things. I have an STI now and while I love it for every day use, I know which of the two I'd rather have on a road course or skidpad.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Jaden

p.s. I'm done with this thread, I've made my point for anyone willing to actually look at the info, I should've known that mentioning the ubiquitous WRX would bring out the ones who don't even drive a twin but troll the site to try and put them down at every chance...lol

The problem is the numbers honestly just don't really add up.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Did you even read the article in the op. There are claims of stock wrx's making 13.8 passes, but A) again that is from a dig and B) the article states that they couldn't get better than 14.2 from stock and 13.9 from a stage 1 cobb tuned wrx.

Sure there are boosted twins that are in the low to mid 13's but there are boosted twins that make only 220whp and a full exhaust with e85 can do the same..

Jaden

[Submarinesonce]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Try reading the article I posted. I said that I had road raced a wrx that CLAIMED to have a stage 2 cobb tune while on e85 and we were almost dead even.

I said this because people claiming that our cars were so much slower didn't mete out with my experience and I linked to an article that might explain why.

I stated that based on the article an e85 tuned but otherwise stock 86 would have as much whp as a STOCK wrx and the same power/weight as a STAGE 1 tuned wrx ACCORDING to the article's information.

I said that it would have a better power/weight than a STAGE 1 wrx by having a catless header and e85. I also mentioned that I was NOT basing this from a dig.

Don't put words in my mouth.

Jaden

What a surprise, butt hurt drives a wrx limited LOL...

did you not look at the timeslips I posted? my runs were at a similar DA as the wrx in question...catless header/front pipe AND e85....you still don't get a win light against a stock wrx from a dig. youll barely pull on the highway. the cobb stage 1 wrx trapped several MPH faster than I did, meaning I get gapped on the highway. period. the wrx is, and will remain the faster car. 2.1 60' is about as good as this car is going to launch on stock sized rubber.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Submarinesonce

did you not look at the timeslips I posted? my runs were at a similar DA as the wrx in question...catless header/front pipe AND e85....you still don't get a win light against a stock wrx from a dig. youll barely pull on the highway. the cobb stage 1 wrx trapped several MPH faster than I did, meaning I get gapped on the highway. period. the wrx is, and will remain the faster car. 2.1 60' is about as good as this car is going to launch on stock sized rubber.

Here's a stage 2 86 on e85 running a low 14 at 98...

Jaden

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Still not trapping quite as high, but what about I'm not talking about from a dig do you guys not seem to understand?

Also a completely stock 86 with just a tune also trapping 98...

https://www.delicioustuning.com/Stoc..._Breaks_200whp

E85 on an frs is a 170$ deal also... so it's not like you can make a huge difference in the wrx for the same money...

trapping at over 100 stage 2 e85...

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Here's a stage 2 86 on e85 running a low 14 at 98...

Jaden

Still not trapping quite as high, but what about I'm not talking about from a dig do you guys not seem to understand?

Also a completely stock 86 with just a tune also trapping 98...

https://www.delicioustuning.com/Stoc..._Breaks_200whp

E85 on an frs is a 170$ deal also... so it's not like you can make a huge difference in the wrx for the same money...

So it has a lower trap AND a lower et? That means it would be a slower car from a dig or a roll.