Supercharge vs Turbo

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Ozri

I'm in the market for boosting my 2017 Toyota 86.
I know both come with their own positives and negatives.
But, which is best for the 86?
Thanks in advance!

Best is the one you want.

Both can easily get you over 500hp, with the right supporting mods.

[Grady]

I was set on a supercharger. One of my biggest requirements was reliability. This ended up with me buying a turbo charger since they are a simpler design with less moving parts. (May be a little more complicated to install? Both will only take you a day.) On both if you shell you compressor you may destroy your engine. If shell the drive on a supercharger you are calling a tow truck, on a turbo you limp home.

[nos145]

2017

edelbrock. they run a warranty on your engine.

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Grady

I was set on a supercharger. One of my biggest requirements was reliability. This ended up with me buying a turbo charger since they are a simpler design with less moving parts. (May be a little more complicated to install? Both will only take you a day.) On both if you shell you compressor you may destroy your engine. If shell the drive on a supercharger you are calling a tow truck, on a turbo you limp home.

Oil pan tap, dedicated oil pump, radiant heat roasting wires and shortening component life, cracked manifolds, higher initial expense, no good way to turbo and keep emissions cert (yes I'm aware of the one carb turbo kit but it's gimped). Not too attractive a trade off imo for the advantage of being able to limp home a trashed turbo.

[Grady]

Originally Posted by gtengr

Oil pan tap, dedicated oil pump, radiant heat roasting wires and shortening component life, cracked manifolds, higher initial expense, no good way to turbo and keep emissions cert (yes I'm aware of the one carb turbo kit but it's gimped). Not too attractive a trade off imo for the advantage of being able to limp home a trashed turbo.

No oil pan tap? Even if I had to do that who cares it is a quick weld. Scavenge pump is no issue. Radiant head? You just have to insulate and make sure you improve air flow. Higher initial expense? Not sure where you came up with that? Even if it cost more who cares, These cars are enexpensive. Emissions cert? Who cares I do not live in CA.

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by Grady

Higher initial expense? Not sure where you came up with that?

Basic addition using quality parts. I did the math.

What is the parts list for this complete turbo kit that is both cheaper and more reliable than a supercharger?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Grady

No oil pan tap? Even if I had to do that who cares it is a quick weld. Scavenge pump is no issue. Radiant head? You just have to insulate and make sure you improve air flow. Higher initial expense? Not sure where you came up with that? Even if it cost more who cares, These cars are enexpensive. Emissions cert? Who cares I do not live in CA.

Turbo is definitely a higher initial cost if you want to do it *right*.

That being said, my own car is turbocharged.

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by nos145

2017

edelbrock. they run a warranty on your engine.

I should add that they only cover your engine during the manufacturer warranty period, not from the day you install the e-force. And only if you take it to an approved installer. If your car is already 3 years old, there is no warranty.

[fx1mark]

Mighty car mods did a Turbocharged vs Supercharged with Miata's that I enjoyed watching.


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0NMCMcdVp4&t=647s"]Turbocharged vs. Supercharged - Part 1 - YouTube[/ame]

[Somerandom18]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

I should add that they only cover your engine during the manufacturer warranty period, not from the day you install the e-force. And only if you take it to an approved installer. If your car is already 3 years old, there is no warranty.

Not the powertrain warranty?

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[TofuJoe]

Originally Posted by Somerandom18

Not the powertrain warranty?

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3 years/36,000 miles measured from the original date of the car’s purchase, and 0 miles on the odometer.
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...y/eforce.shtml

[-Willis-86touge]

Turbo vs supercharger has always been a debate! I can say that there are steps into finding out witch is right for your!...
1. How much power do you want?
A. Yes a super can make good horsepower, but probably not as much as a turbo!
B. So let’s assume you have decided one under 500hp.
2. Do you want to build your engine?
A. Supercharger makes roughly 300-400 stock block
B. Turbo makes roughly 400-500 hp stock block
3. Have you ever drove a boosted car before?
A. If you like the way a turbo drives that’s something to consider
B. A supercharger is like driving a na car but with more power
1.twin screw charger is like having a bigger motor(v6-v8)
2. Centrifugal charger is like the motor is like driving this same motor but with higher pull at top end. Almost like a turbo without the abrupt hit of power
4. What are you using your car for?
A. Remember a supercharger has almost zero lag, never worry about losing power
B. A turbo if not driven right will lose power during shift, in corners, etc.
5. What about install
A. Turbo more complex install and more time and money
B. Supercharger install still not easy (who is installing??)
6. What tuning option do you have?
A. Do you live next to someone who can trouble shoot a turbo
B. ?? Trouble shoot a supercharger??
7. Finally let’s look at reliability?
A. Turbo-more heat
B. Supercharger-if something happens to belt your stuck


**************disclaimer**********************
This is just a opinion, nothing here was ment to hurt or harm the reputation of the other. This was just information ment to help one in a better choice. If anyone should take my advice seriously, they do so at there own risk. I am not responsible for any dumbass action in choosing one over the other! If you blow your engine its not my fault, you should of pick the other!! Lol

[Matt@Cosworth]

Originally Posted by fx1mark

Mighty car mods did a Turbocharged vs Supercharged with Miata's that I enjoyed watching.

a good piece of telly but I was dissapointed they used a centrifugal blower
if they had a twin screw / eaton type on there it would have been a better comparison

[Grady]

Originally Posted by gtengr

Basic addition using quality parts. I did the math.

What is the parts list for this complete turbo kit that is both cheaper and more reliable than a supercharger?

For me $500 on a $5k to $6k expense is negligible. Jackson racing kit $4k, I received a ok deal on an AVO kit $4.5K.

I started this journey wanting the Sprintex. Looks like a good reliable supercharger. (Same price as the AVO). One thing for me is it has to look like it belongs. Decided I did not want to give up my 2017 red intake. This pushed me toward the HKS kit since it is the cleanest looking install out of all the kits. After reading the owners thread and not being able to get thru any page without someone complaining about a supercharger failure decided that is not a good choice for me(I am sure a lot of the failures are self induced). Then looked into the Jackson racing. That one appears to be the most reliable out of all of them. But did not like the looks with the air cleaner out in the open in the engine bay. Then if you add a cold air you end up having to take the front bumper off to clean the filter. Do not want that ether. The 2017 filter is acceptable for my requirements. Then I was looking at the Works kit. Clean install but will not fit the 2017 at this time. I stumbled across the AVO kit. Has an extremely clean looking install all the heat is generated where the original exhaust was designed to be. All the above kits will get me in the 300hp range with E85. And yes I have read all the above installation manuals plus more. and do not see that any one is more difficult than the other.

Anyway all of them would be fun they are forced induction! For me the turbo brings a more reliable platoform. To each his own this is why we have such great choices for this car. What other car do you have this many options for forced induction? It makes it hard to decide.