2018 6AT spec? 205hp engines?

[monkeybike]

I am thinking of picking up a '18 6AT next year.
3 hours a day in peak hour traffic getting to work blah blah blah....... it's going to be a 6AT.

Has there been any indication that the '18s might get the high spec 205hp engines like the MT or will they be stuck with the older 200hp?

Seems pretty stupid. I initially thought they automatics had the older spec due to a surplus of older parts and it was only going to be for the first few batches of Koukis. Paying extra for the automatic with the lower spec engine isn't my idea of fun.

[funwheeldrive]

I'm pretty sure the 2018 BRZ is available for order already and I never heard of the automatic getting the revised engine. I doubt the 86 would be any different.

[monkeybike]

That would be bad.

Have Toybaru ever given a reason for the lower spec in the 6AT?
Surely it can't be to protect the drivetrain from an additional 5hp.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by monkeybike

Have Toybaru ever given a reason for the lower spec in the 6AT?
Surely it can't be to protect the drivetrain from an additional 5hp.

Why would they? As mentioned in another thread, this is a niche car for an already niche market. They don't need to explain a great many things to something that covers less than 1% of their entire global portfolio.

If I were to speculate, I'd speculate the tradeoff from good fuel economy (torque dip) + automatic transmission shifting efficiency + other factors regarding transmission warranty provided by Aisin and emissions requirements meant that the AT engine had to be based on the old spec/old tune.

They wouldn't make two versions of the same engine if there wasn't a really good reason, I'm guessing emissions and government test cycles plays a huge part of this.

-alex

[monkeybike]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Why would they? As mentioned in another thread, this is a niche car for an already niche market. They don't need to explain a great many things to something that covers less than 1% of their entire global portfolio.

If I were to speculate, I'd speculate the tradeoff from good fuel economy (torque dip) + automatic transmission shifting efficiency + other factors regarding transmission warranty provided by Aisin and emissions requirements meant that the AT engine had to be based on the old spec/old tune.

They wouldn't make two versions of the same engine if there wasn't a really good reason, I'm guessing emissions and government test cycles plays a huge part of this.

-alex

That's why I'm puzzled.

It's a niche of a niche of a niche and they are maintaining two distinct spec engines. Seems over complicated and expensive for something pretty insignificant in their global strategy as you say.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by monkeybike

That would be bad.

Why would it? Aftermarket interest in the 17 engine seems to be DOA. Options for the "original" engines are endless.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by monkeybike

That's why I'm puzzled.

It's a niche of a niche of a niche and they are maintaining two distinct spec engines. Seems over complicated and expensive for something pretty insignificant in their global strategy as you say.

Again, they won't give a reason for this.

It also simply could have been that to make this car, Subaru needed to produce X amount of engine blocks, and that the reason why there's two blocks is simply to sell off existing production units from the first run.

A lot of OEMs would stipulate MOQ to produce item(s), even for large customers like Subaru or Toyota.

Who knows, no one at Toyota will give you the answer you want.

[Veloist]

Originally Posted by monkeybike

I am thinking of picking up a '18 6AT next year.
3 hours a day in peak hour traffic getting to work blah blah blah....... it's going to be a 6AT.

Has there been any indication that the '18s might get the high spec 205hp engines like the MT or will they be stuck with the older 200hp?

Seems pretty stupid. I initially thought they automatics had the older spec due to a surplus of older parts and it was only going to be for the first few batches of Koukis. Paying extra for the automatic with the lower spec engine isn't my idea of fun.

They aren’t changing the engine for the 6AT so I would take advantage of Toyota’s incentives right now for the 86...either 0% APR for 72 mos or $1500 rebate plus dealers wanna get rid of the Auto let alone the 86, so you’ll save a lot more.

Only advantage with going with a 18 BRZ is apple car play and android auto. You can’t order them yet.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Again, they won't give a reason for this.

It also simply could have been that to make this car, Subaru needed to produce X amount of engine blocks, and that the reason why there's two blocks is simply to sell off existing production units from the first run.

A lot of OEMs would stipulate MOQ to produce item(s), even for large customers like Subaru or Toyota.

Who knows, no one at Toyota will give you the answer you want.

Nope. It would be cheaper for them to buy out the contract than to have line complexity to carry two engines. They wouldn't over estimate the number of engines needed by 50% of a whole model year either.

The AT engine internals and blocks have almost all of the same updates as the MT engine. It is really just the intake, manifold and header that are still the old style on the AT not the whole engine.The European spec MT also still use the old fuel system and header.

My guess remains that the difference with the AT is something related to emission control and millage requirements.

[monkeybike]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The AT engine internals and blocks have almost all of the same updates as the MT engine. It is really just the intake, manifold and header that are still the old style on the AT not the whole engine.The European spec MT also still use the old fuel system and header.

My guess remains that the difference with the AT is something related to emission control and millage requirements.

Are you saying the AT got the new pistons, block ribbing, valve assembly etc etc as the MT engine? I hadn't heard that. I thought they were distinctly different short blocks. If it's only the bolt ons then that's not too bad. The header and intake are usually replaced anyway.

[humfrz]

Oh, heck ....... with 3 hours a day in stop and go traffic, you wouldn't notice the additional 5 HP anyway ........ just be happy ......


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by monkeybike

Are you saying the AT got the new pistons, block ribbing, valve assembly etc etc as the MT engine? I hadn't heard that. I thought they were distinctly different short blocks. If it's only the bolt ons then that's not too bad. The header and intake are usually replaced anyway.

Yep that is exactly what I am saying. The only exception to the internals is that only the MT got the hardened pistons. The AT and European spec got all the other internal changes. The AT engines are not the "old" ones they just didn't get all of the new parts. Take a look at the "Applicable to" section of what I attached.

[monkeybike]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep that is exactly what I am saying. The only exception to the internals is that only the MT got the hardened pistons. The AT and European spec got all the other internal changes. The AT engines are not the "old" ones they just didn't get all of the new parts. Take a look at the "Applicable to" section of what I attached.

Thanks for the info. I could live with that if it comes to it, that's pretty good then.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by monkeybike

Thanks for the info. I could live with that if it comes to it, that's pretty good then.

It is pretty deceiving since everybody refers to it as the "old" engine. It really is just a slightly different version of the new engine.