Spec Twin?

[chucky12012]

Running the SSC setup this weekend. Honestly, all of the areas of heartburn and change are not going to really change the performance. I want some time with the car as soon as possible to get the shocks, bars and alignment set up so I don't end up fiddling with all of that through next year. I get waiting on the exhaust and even the wheels, but I got the TR wheels and will run the 5mm spacers, so I feel pretty safe there. We shall see. It would be nice if we had both the prepped STX twin and DS twin at our local this weekend for some perspective, but we'll see how that goes.

[iLuveKetchup]

I'm also running SSC set up this weekend. Putting all parts in this Fri. There are great DS & STX drivers locally, but I'm no bench mark (reason I'm going SSC is to get my learn on).

[tony_r]

Originally Posted by chucky12012

Running the SSC setup this weekend. Honestly, all of the areas of heartburn and change are not going to really change the performance. I want some time with the car as soon as possible to get the shocks, bars and alignment set up so I don't end up fiddling with all of that through next year. I get waiting on the exhaust and even the wheels, but I got the TR wheels and will run the 5mm spacers, so I feel pretty safe there. We shall see. It would be nice if we had both the prepped STX twin and DS twin at our local this weekend for some perspective, but we'll see how that goes.

Is there enough thread engagement to be safe?

[blkwrxwag]

Originally Posted by tony_r

Is there enough thread engagement to be safe?

No, you will need extended lugs. 3mm is about the max you can go safely.

[Twinz]

Originally Posted by JakeRogue

16.94 lbs

I got a set of these after they clarified the as-raced weight and weighed them. With center caps and TPMS, they are 17lbs. -And that's before any balancing weights.

They make weight (as raced) and look nice, but the thick spokes pushed to the outer edge of the wheel do not make for ideal weight distribution. The FF10's are functionally better (if not as pretty) but require 5mm spacers to get the 40mm offset that will allow for maximum camber.

Originally Posted by chucky12012

Running the SSC setup this weekend. Honestly, all of the areas of heartburn and change are not going to really change the performance. I want some time with the car as soon as possible to get the shocks, bars and alignment set up so I don't end up fiddling with all of that through next year. I get waiting on the exhaust and even the wheels, but I got the TR wheels and will run the 5mm spacers, so I feel pretty safe there. We shall see. It would be nice if we had both the prepped STX twin and DS twin at our local this weekend for some perspective, but we'll see how that goes.

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

I'm also running SSC set up this weekend. Putting all parts in this Fri. There are great DS & STX drivers locally, but I'm no bench mark (reason I'm going SSC is to get my learn on).

+1. I started setting up for CS last summer and didn't get the car right until November. I am not one of those people who can put parts on a car and have it just work well on my first guess. (If it ever happens it will be mostly due to dumb luck)

Originally Posted by TrqlessWonder

The stage 1 kit is probably fairly safe, but the wheels have been revised once already, and no one has filled in the blank even on a preliminary level on the tires. We're not sure if a nameless-type exhaust would be allowed, and there's some confusion on the crash bolt/SPC bolt arrangement.

It's...um...fluid. It won't hurt me to put my credit card away for a bit. My next event won't be until April, and TR delivery is super-dee-duper fast.

I totally understand people's apprehension, (which is why I didn't mention the Konig's before) but in the SCCA's defense, all but one of the updates have just been clarifications. The only contradiction (the offset change) was fixed within a couple days, and put back to the original spec. So the only "revision" was quickly "un-revised".

I don't particularly like the exhaust clarification, and I wish the tire would have already been named, but for all the heat they are taking for the roll-out, it's been rather stable.

The suspension "kit" shipped yesterday. I'm all in now too.

[strat61caster]

"All in"?

Worst case, class tanks, you've got three options.

1. Convert to DS (or whatever street class) lose a few hundred on parts from Eibach, SPC and wheels (keep the tires if the compound is good).
2. Start building towards STX (or ST*), wheels+tires+header+tune and you've got a decent >75% baseline build, you'll probably eat $1k or more to unload all the SSC stuff and build STX (on top of added cost for STX parts), but you always eat the cost of mods you don't keep forever (so most of them)
3. Dump the chassis and move onto the next hot street class car

Hardcore competitive guys already enter the class with option #3 accounted for, it's been years and there's always some change to Street class that bumps cars from competitive to not (RX-8, E36, 86, etc.), people more dedicated to the car than being competitive ASAP will have a taste of more mods (and complexity) and decide which direction to go in, Street vs. Street Touring.

Originally Posted by Shark_Bait88

If I were making a ruling on, as the rules stand now, I'd probably say that being a "track pipe" makes it illegal.

Moot point but I'm going to say it anyway:

"track pipe" has zero definition. I'll say OE exhaust is a 'track pipe' since I've tracked it, it's illegal now. Call everything a 'track pipe' call nothing a 'track pipe' it has no definition or meaning, it's a marketing label with certain connotations to certain people until there's a definition in the SCCA rulebook. It's good that they're changing it if this was potentially an argument at all.

A list of approved exhausts is better for sanity, but an ugly solution imo

Make the axleback a free for all (barring exotic materials), bolt on the nameless track pipe for the big event, bolt on preferred muffler of choice after for your eardrums.

[Jshreiner]

I'm set on running in the class. I haven't purchased any parts yet but Tire Rack is only 30min from me so I could get my parts next day if I wanted. I too am waiting for final rule set before just incase something odd comes up.

For those hopping the class will solidify for next year then you will jump in all you are doing is lessening the chance of the class sticking around by not participating. If the numbers are not there then it will not last, even if not competitive purchase a few or even just one of the spec class options and come support the class in 2018.

[edj]

Originally Posted by chucky12012

Rt would be nice if we had both the prepped STX twin and DS twin at our local this weekend for some perspective, but we'll see how that goes.

how much are you willing to pay for me to come down there and kick your butt?

[chucky12012]

Originally Posted by edj

how much are you willing to pay for me to come down there and kick your butt?

Sounds like Eric is coming to Houston this weekend! We'll buy you lunch.

[chucky12012]

Originally Posted by tony_r

Is there enough thread engagement to be safe?

As noted, you need extended studs to run the 5mm spacer, but I installed them a while back under preventative measures just in case. I had also at times played with 8mm spacers in DS with the Kosei's, but wasn't actively using those anyways.

[Locust]

Originally Posted by Jshreiner

For those hopping the class will solidify for next year then you will jump in all you are doing is lessening the chance of the class sticking around by not participating. If the numbers are not there then it will not last, even if not competitive purchase a few or even just one of the spec class options and come support the class in 2018.

The class isn't going to live and die on a few of us who have decided not to make the switch. If it takes that many people to make the difference then it's on life support already anyways. And if it doesn't make it then it doesn't make it. I'd like to see it become a permanent class but after spending money for two years to prep for CS/DS and then have 99% of the stuff I bought become disallowed in spec class I'm not ready to jump to a class that may or may not be there the year after.

[iLuveKetchup]

Have an issue with the front Koni struts. There is too much space between the spindle & strut attachment point. There is about a 1/4" gap.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/iluveketchup/z6Fh81

[CHDavis]

I would not be surprised if it passed supplemental status and went straight to National status very quickly.

But what do I know?

Charlie Davis

[blkwrxwag]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

Have an issue with the front Koni struts. There is too much space between the spindle & strut attachment point. There is about a 1/4" gap.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/iluveketchup/z6Fh81

Call Lee Grimes at Koni and show him that picture. I don't remember that when I installed my OTS Konis earlier this year, but maybe when you just tighten the bolts, it goes away. I would call Lee first though. (859) 586-4100