Analysis Paralysis

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by olsonpg

who in their right mind would ever recommend a civic instead of this platform ?

It just depends on what someone needs from a car. The new Civic is a great car for the price. It's more economical, has a nicer interior with a better sound system, has more cargo space, more low end torque(most driver's don't want to rev over 4k regularly), and is better in the rain/snow.


For example, my wife constantly complains about the FRS's low seating position and firm suspension. Those are 2 of the main reasons why I bought the car. It comes down to personal preference. OP could do a lot worse than a Civic Si IMO. I would take the Civic over the GTi, ST Twins, Ecoboost mustang, Elantra Sport, and Sentra SE-R.

[ToySub1946]

Option 3. And this would be on the dessert menu. Maybe you are already full and need no dessert.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by athos56

First, the responses have been great! Second, thanks for productive, welcoming, honest responses. You all should see me with a restaurant menu... I'm not indecisive, I'm just very picky, I want maximum return for my $$. I'm seeing a lot of the head vs heart arguments that I've been going through. I really do desire the BRZ, but at the same time I know the "right" choice is the Civic. I can't stomach the sheer blandness of the GTi... The WRX STI, yeah drool, but more than I want to pay monthly. I think the suggestion of test drives round two is the way forward.

Maximum return for dollar would be the base WRX. Very easily is it the car the that gives you so much more per dollar than any other vehicle in that bracket. Canadian, the WRX is price at maybe only 1000$ more than a 86 at msrp, and you get AWD, 4 doors, a turbo, 268 hp, 258 ft-lb of torque (early af 2000-5000 rpm) and a vape.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Elliotw

Who'd get a BRZ as a DD?

I did. I'm away from home for 80% of my job, and I drive it all over the state.

Originally Posted by Elliotw

no torque.(aka bad for city/traffic driving)

Bullshit.

Originally Posted by olsonpg

who in their right mind would ever recommend a civic instead of this platform ?

There's a certain kind of person who would hate this car and would bitch and whine about it incessantly. There have been a few of them on this board. I would definitely recommend the Civic to those people.

[Tokay444]

If you have to ask, just get the Civic, please.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Elliotw

Who'd get a BRZ as a DD? 2 doors 1 back seat (0.5 + 0.5) no torque.(aka bad for city/traffic driving) I'd go Fiesta ST, Civic SI for daily. Both superior cars for that use case.

A fun car to take on the track and back road. RWD Lightweight NA all the way.(BRZ)

If you really want a BRZ i would suggest buying two cars. A users 2013/2014 BRZ/FRS for 15-20k and a used civic 2010-2014 civic for 10-15k for DD. Those in total roughly equal top of the line brand new BRZ.

?????????

I have zero issue driving in traffic and I DD my car because I don't need 4 doors for my laptop. Not sure why I need 200+ ft-lb of torque to city/traffic drive.............. and the fact that a turbo would need to spool and you get a laggy throttle in traffic....

[OND]

Based on my experience with previous gen Civic, it had: faster steering rack, longer and much smoother shifter throws, better pedal placement, firmer clutch with lower bite point, smoother and better sounding engine, more solid interior (much less rattling) and better stereo.

Those little things combined matter much more than RWD vs FWD when daily driving.

[Kimsey47]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Maximum return for dollar would be the base WRX. Very easily is it the car the that gives you so much more per dollar than any other vehicle in that bracket. Canadian, the WRX is price at maybe only 1000$ more than a 86 at msrp, and you get AWD, 4 doors, a turbo, 268 hp, 258 ft-lb of torque (early af 2000-5000 rpm) and a vape.

I didn't see the original response to my suggestion of WRX... Yeah I didn't mean the STI and agree with this comment! (Except the vaping thing...) lol

[Elliotw]

Just cause you DD a BRZ doesn't mean its the best car for DD. I never said you cannot DD a BRZ. I stated fiesta ST and civic SI are superior cars for that use case. I stand by that claim. Driving on weekends/track is a fun/hobby. Daily driving is a chore. Hence the ST and SI are half way between. Fun car yet practical to handle the chores of daily use cases. I don't see why everyone is up defending the BRZ as a DD. You can DD whatever you want. But your choice isn't necessarily the right choice for OP or the majority.

Please note underlined words. Are your post defending your decision or helping the OP make the best decision?

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Elliotw

Just cause you DD a BRZ doesn't mean its the best car for DD. I never said you cannot DD a BRZ. I stated fiesta ST and civic SI are superior cars for that use case. I stand by that claim. Driving on weekends/track is a fun/hobby. Daily driving is a chore. Hence the ST and SI are half way between. Fun car yet practical to handle the chores of daily use cases. I don't see why everyone is up defending the BRZ as a DD. You can DD whatever you want. But your choice isn't necessarily the right choice for OP or the majority.

Please note underlined words. Are your post defending your decision or helping the OP make the best decision?

Originally Posted by Elliotw

Who'd get a BRZ as a DD? 2 doors 1 back seat (0.5 + 0.5) no torque.(aka bad for city/traffic driving)

??

Think before you speak.

You claimed the BRZ doesn't have enough torque for city/traffic driving, what are you trying to do with that torque, rear end someone?

You also claimed the BRZ needs more than 2 doors, for what? If you and you alone are driving it to work daily and depending on your job, which in many cases would not utilize 2 rear doors, what other purpose would they serve?

You also asked it as a question, who would get the BRZ as a DD, when the car itself really has no problem being daily driven, most cars don't. Stock BRZ is perfectly fine for DD, but for some reason you can't understand that, and think you need torque in traffic, or 4 doors for a single adult.

The no torque thing still baffles me.

[feardemon]

Originally Posted by Elliotw

Daily driving is a chore.

Think your driving the wrong car then.

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Elliotw

Who'd get a BRZ as a DD? 2 doors 1 back seat (0.5 + 0.5) no torque.(aka bad for city/traffic driving) I'd go Fiesta ST, Civic SI for daily. Both superior cars for that use case.

A fun car to take on the track and back road. RWD Lightweight NA all the way.(BRZ)

If you really want a BRZ i would suggest buying two cars. A users 2013/2014 BRZ/FRS for 15-20k and a used civic 2010-2014 civic for 10-15k for DD. Those in total roughly equal top of the line brand new BRZ.

I don't find your comment worth any reply but this forum has no dislike button. So there you go.

Originally Posted by Elliotw

Just cause you DD a BRZ doesn't mean its the best car for DD. I never said you cannot DD a BRZ. I stated fiesta ST and civic SI are superior cars for that use case. I stand by that claim. Driving on weekends/track is a fun/hobby. Daily driving is a chore. Hence the ST and SI are half way between. Fun car yet practical to handle the chores of daily use cases. I don't see why everyone is up defending the BRZ as a DD. You can DD whatever you want. But your choice isn't necessarily the right choice for OP or the majority.

Please note underlined words. Are your post defending your decision or helping the OP make the best decision?

Why would I note your underlines? This is just your opinion and I don't agree. Will you note my underlines?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Elliotw

I stated fiesta ST and civic SI are superior cars for that use case. I stand by that claim.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Kimsey47

I didn't see the original response to my suggestion of WRX... Yeah I didn't mean the STI and agree with this comment! (Except the vaping thing...) lol

But vape is life. You can't join the Subaru crew if you don't vape