The naive perception that tracking a car is abuse

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

He's doing that because he's desperate for attention. What quicker way to get it than to walk into an otherwise pleasant social situation and start shouting that everyone there is an idiot?

Interesting point.

Today, on the Internet, it's so easy to be a disruption.

Back-in-the-day (here we go again ..... ) if a bunch of guys were sitting around the corner gas station, at night, talking cars, and some smart ass walked up and started spouting bull shit, he would get the shit slapped out of him before he got the second sentence completed ......

Yep, that's the way it was ......


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[PetrolioBenzina]

Where ya' at, OP? All the bench-racers in here are eagerly awaiting your knowledge, or at least a newsletter sub.

[VittorioS]

Originally Posted by dattran86

OP sound like he never been on an actual race track but he watches alot of youtube track video.

on another note, tracking absolutely put more stress on the car. come on dude you are driving the car at the limit of braking, acceleration, turning. its add wear and tear on every component of the car.

and track tires does slide, if you're driving on track and you never have to correct under steer or over-steer you're probably not going fast enough lol

Nah man, never slide, it's hooning. If you're sliding your tires aren't sticky enough. You gotta stay between 4-6k and that's it. Any more or less and you'll be sliding or getting ready to launch it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by VittorioS

Nah man, never slide, it's hooning. If you're sliding your tires aren't sticky enough. You gotta stay between 4-6k and that's it. Any more or less and you'll be sliding or getting ready to launch it.

If you don't do those things as said you are a

[Slammillionaire]

Double clutch the up-shift to make sure you don't go past 4k and have to replace your $4000 alternator

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

I've now seen a few people on this forum assume a car that has been tracked has been abused.
Meanwhile, modded cars seem to raise few concerns.

Who cares?

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

Tracking will add some wear to your tires and brake pads. Cheap consumables.

No shit sherlock. Driving also burns gas. The Earth is round.

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

Otherwise, it means responsibly driving it the way it was designed to be driven.
Modding a car often means fucking with something (FI, etc) and should be viewed with much more skepticism.

"Responsibly" driving a car flatout on public streets is cause for less skepticism than somebody who just added some wheels and a sharkfin antenna that did nothing but drive to and from work everyday? Ok.

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

One is using the product as intended, the other is desecrating and abusing it.
This is why guys will gladly buy a car that was tracked a few times a year, but will never touch a modded car with a 10-foot pole.

Blow your motor on track, take it to Subaru/Toyota and let them know it happened there. Bet they give you shit and say you used the vehicle for something it wasn't intended for.

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

What exactly do these guys think happens during tracking?
Are you confusing track events with hooning, donuts, burnouts, drifting, and other stupid teenage shit?

You realize "hooning" is a term people use when they describe going through mountain roads and stuff at a spirited pace, right? Something that you say is totally fine.

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

Track events are carefully controlled driving, often with a trained instructor.
Do you know why track guys spend bucks on track tires? They are very sticky.
Unlike ricer drifter videos, you don't slip and slide on a track unless you're about to go into the wall.

There are organizations that hold properly sanctioned drift events with plenty of safety standards. You do realize many people are running the same type of tires on drift cars that weekend enthusiasts run at track days right? You do realize that many of those cars have so much grip developed that they accelerate faster going sideways than some cars can in a straight line, right?

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

Most hoonigans destroy their cars much worse in the Dunkin' parking lot.

They also destroy them driving backroads at a spirited pace, which you say isn't abuse.. so there's that.

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

Congrats on posting somebody else's video. What's your point.

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

Prolonged high rpms and extreme heat ?

Your four sessions typically last 20 minutes each.

That's 80 minutes of driving. You realize that a typical drift day will yield maybe 20-30 runs that last all of 30 seconds each, right? That's 10-20 minutes of actual driving.. compared to 80.

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

If you have never tracked your car, and conflate tracking with drifter hooning abuse,
do you think that tracking means driving at redline or something?

I've tracked cars and done plenty of drifting. If you're pushing for lap times on track and in a rev range lower than what would be used in drifting, chances are you suck and are slow (which you probably are).

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

Watch (and hear) the RPM readout in this video. He's between 3k and 6k, like you're supposed to be.

You know that in drifting, you're pretty much using the same rev range right? You're not at redline the whole time. I did events where I never really went higher than 6.5k, in a car thats redline is past 7k.

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

Does this look like abuse? Does it look any different than what you do on the back roads every day?

"Abuse" is subjective... And by backroads, you mean "hooning"? Not really. Just the fact that one's a controlled environment that yields longer periods of driving and a higher pace. [/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

Congrats again on posting somebody else's video.

Your post contradicts itself multiple times. Track driving is fine, modifying is abuse. Hooning is abuse, but racing on backroads (also called hooning) is not. Drifting is abuse because you use high RPMs for 30 seconds, but racing is not because you use high RPMs for 20 minutes. And the insanity goes on.

The fact that you're allowed to reproduce is honestly frightening. I could feel cancer cells growing in my body as I read your post.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

Only in the case of tires and brake pads. But, I'll humor you. Guess how many miles you drive on a track day.

I'll humor you too.

Each track day at Buttonwillow, assuming I drive the full 4 or 5 sessions, gets me approx. 80-110 miles on the track assuming no real traffic. I burn through at least one tank of 91 octane gas, sometimes I have to fill up twice if I double stint sessions.

Given that I drove approx. 35 events between 2014 and 2016, that translates to more than 3000 miles across all the various tracks I went to.

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here, other than the fact that track miles can be abusive if you add in some driver or overall usage context. I put approx. 45k miles on my car in 3+ years of ownership driving it 50% of the time, and have taken it to redline twice outside of a track. I have also spun the car zero times on the street. At the track, I've taken it to redline every shift and I have spun out more than a dozen times.

I also know plenty of folks who put 90% of their mileage on the track, and 10% getting to/from the track... so what is abuse?

So what is abuse? Entirely dependent on the driver and the circumstances. Don't bother replying.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

Have you ever driven on a track? Trust me, you don't have the ability to drive the car at peak power or push the car as hard as you can.

This is categorically untrue. I have exactly the ability to push the car as hard as I can. I can't push it any harder and I may not be able to push it to it's limit.

I have raced motorcycles on tracks. Texas World Speedway for one. I can assure you the throttle was pinned for a mile and a half of the three mile lap. Was that "abuse?" You'll need to define the term.

[tacos]

just here to continue the best part of this thread

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by tacos

just here to continue the best part of this thread

I think she might have very tasty tacos. I'll have three tacos de pescada, por favor.

[PetrolioBenzina]

OP? Hello? How can you be silent and let some of these posters continue to lie to us about tracking a car.

Come back, OP, and set us straight. I need to know more about the dangers of high-RPM. I typically manage to get to redline every time I set out to "hoon" on my favorite roads. Is my engine OK? You have said nothing about the "pedal dance" either, share with us, brother.

I also need to know about excessive shoe-wear from double-clutching upshifts.

Guy Martin has read your posts, and this was his expression:

[HSUBLU]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

I also need to know about excessive shoe-wear from double-clutching upshifts.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

I also need to know about excessive shoe-wear from double-clutching upshifts.

Guy Martin has read your posts, and this was his expression:

But you know if you can find out who made the shoes you can get the same ones at Joe's Bargain Footwear Barn for a fraction of the cost. They may be retreaded but they will be OE and much cheaper than the branded ones. Nothing can beat picking up a nice cheap pair of Nkies.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

........................The fact that you're allowed to reproduce is honestly frightening............ .

Do we know that for sure ...... or, are you just praying out loud that he can't .... ??


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