Is quick release steering legal or illegal in california?

[Student Driver]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Your crumple zones and the whole structure are designed for the airbags to protect you. The whole "I have never had them and am still alive" thing doesn't work because the people that didn't have them and are dead so can not post.


You can be the most carful and alert driver in the world and sill have a head on. Look at the number of cars totaled on here alone.


The wheel won't look so pretty with teeth, hair and brain tissue embedded in it.

in the process of getting a DD, but it doesn't have an airbag either... I guess im f***ed, I wont be driving my twin often once the DD is all built but I feel like I should put my airbag back in for the meantime

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Student Driver

in the process of getting a DD, but it doesn't have an airbag either... I guess im f***ed, I wont be driving my twin often once the DD is all built but I feel like I should put my airbag back in for the meantime

Your life, your call. Just saying what the results can be.


Many of my cars didn't have one and I didn't think anything of it. Even when they were common I still didn't think much on the subject. Once I started working where we do crash tests my eyes got opened. Airbags can save your ass if somebody decided they want your lane at any speed. Of course they are not going to save you under every situation but they increase your odds massively. If saying "oh I drive carful" was all that was needed then all the safety devices would be redundant.


I survived many years of these:





Many others did not.

[DAEMANO]

They need to fill the crash dummies with blood, organs and bones for full effect

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfo-gnuCVXA"]Renault Duster no airbag/airbag - Crash test #SaferCarsForIndia - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NACA1W2A5Wk"]Demo Car Crash With and Without Airbags - YouTube[/ame]

[ls1ac]

Back in the 60's a friend would say he would never wear a seat belt because he heard of a guy that was throne clear of a corvette that hit a concrete wall. No reason in arguing at that point.

[Silver Supra]

Originally Posted by ls1ac

Back in the 60's a friend would say he would never wear a seat belt because he heard of a guy that was throne clear of a corvette that hit a concrete wall. No reason in arguing at that point.

Don't know the stats, but I bet a huge (HUGE) majority of people thrown out of their cars in an accident die - as in dead.

[TheRoops]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The wheel won't look so pretty with teeth, hair and brain tissue embedded in it.

I guess I need to rethink the interior design I was going to go for in my car...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Silver Supra

Don't know the stats, but I bet a huge (HUGE) majority of people thrown out of their cars in an accident die - as in dead.

Some interesting stats:

On an average, there are more than 6 million car accidents on the roads of the US, annually.

More than 3 million people get injured due to car accidents, with more than 2 million of these injuries being permanent.

There are in excess of 40,000 deaths due to car accidents every year.

The majority of car accidents could be avoided if only the drivers would drive more responsibly. About 40% of car accident fatalities occur because of a drunken driver. About 30% of the car accident fatalities can be attributed to driving above the speed limits and 33% and above because of reckless driving that causes the car to go off the road and result in an accident.

The majority of car accident victims are the drivers, then the passengers of the car, followed by pedestrians, and lastly cyclists.

Every 12 minutes, one person dies because of a car accident. Every 14 seconds, a car accident results in an injured victim.

For those in the age group of 1 to 30 years, the leading cause of death is due to being involved in a car accident.

More than 25% of all car drivers were involved in car accidents in a five year period.

In more than half of all car accident fatalities, the deceased were found not to be wearing their seat belts at the time of the crash. Even with seat belts being mandatory, a vast majority of people choose to disregard this safety precaution and end up losing their lives because of it.

Source numbers not verified I choose it simply for ease of the cut and paste. I doubt they are far off though.

http://www.lawcore.com/car-accident/statistics.html

[ls1ac]

Originally Posted by Silver Supra

Don't know the stats, but I bet a huge (HUGE) majority of people thrown out of their cars in an accident die - as in dead.

that was the point

[why?]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It isn't 1979 anymore. Show me airbag related fatality (where the non defective airbag caused it) in the last 20 years.
Cars without that "explosive device" have killed far, far, far, more.
Airbags are indeed a good idea.

Unless you are the perfect 180lb male an airbag will probably injure you if it goes off. All the studies and tests are based around that body type alone. It is not just about dying, an airbag that even works properly can cause an occupant more injuries than if the car did not have an airbag. And now cars have multiple airbags in different places, yes they can save lives, they can also cause all sorts of injuries.

It is good you bring up takata, since they are a huge chunk of airbags and no one knows how many broken ones are in cars. There is a good chance any car you are in has a faulty takata airbag. That in itself is enough of an issue for me to want to sell them all off.

What is really amazing is there is absolutely no stats about airbag deaths released for 2007 and after. Sounds like someone is trying to make sure no one can fight the narrative whatsoever.

Anything that is government mandated is pure evil. I'm betting someone is getting massive payments because airbags are mandated.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by why?

Unless you are the perfect 180lb male an airbag will probably injure you if it goes off. All the studies and tests are based around that body type alone. It is not just about dying, an airbag that even works properly can cause an occupant more injuries than if the car did not have an airbag. And now cars have multiple airbags in different places, yes they can save lives, they can also cause all sorts of injuries.

It is good you bring up takata, since they are a huge chunk of airbags and no one knows how many broken ones are in cars. There is a good chance any car you are in has a faulty takata airbag. That in itself is enough of an issue for me to want to sell them all off.

What is really amazing is there is absolutely no stats about airbag deaths released for 2007 and after. Sounds like someone is trying to make sure no one can fight the narrative whatsoever.

Anything that is government mandated is pure evil. I'm betting someone is getting massive payments because airbags are mandated.

Ahhhh conspiracy theory so no doubt I am wasting my time here.
The fact that airbags save lives is very well documented no matter what the anti safety device league may try to say.

There were 42 million potentially defective airbags which resulted in 11 fatalities and 142 injuries. How many tens or hundreds of thousands of people are still alive because it did work properly?

All the studies and tests are NOT done around one body type. They are tested on a very wide range of types. I have watched it done with my own two eyes so the anti bag propaganda is wasted on me.

If you are in an accident that is serious enough to deploy an airbag then yes of course you will be injured by the airbag. Without it you would be even more seriously injured or dead. To say airbags injure people in accidents is a ridiculous comment.

[Silver Supra]

Originally Posted by why?

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What is really amazing is there is absolutely no stats about airbag deaths released for 2007 and after. Sounds like someone is trying to make sure no one can fight the narrative whatsoever.

Anything that is government mandated is pure evil. I'm betting someone is getting massive payments because airbags are mandated.

Of course there are airbag injury and fatality stats for the years after 2007. They show that airbags save a lot of lives in crashes.

There was one study I could find by 1 statistician at UGA that "found" that airbags cause more harm than good. That study mainly focused on airbag data before 1997 when major changes to airbags were mandated. Since then , the reverse is true.

Want to know who knows the most about it? The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. It is supported by auto insurers (who have an immense interest in getting the numbers right).

Those are the facts.

[e_lunatic]

please remove your airbag and take out the seat belt while you're at it.

thanks

Originally Posted by why?

Unless you are the perfect 180lb male an airbag will probably injure you if it goes off. All the studies and tests are based around that body type alone. It is not just about dying, an airbag that even works properly can cause an occupant more injuries than if the car did not have an airbag. And now cars have multiple airbags in different places, yes they can save lives, they can also cause all sorts of injuries.

It is good you bring up takata, since they are a huge chunk of airbags and no one knows how many broken ones are in cars. There is a good chance any car you are in has a faulty takata airbag. That in itself is enough of an issue for me to want to sell them all off.

What is really amazing is there is absolutely no stats about airbag deaths released for 2007 and after. Sounds like someone is trying to make sure no one can fight the narrative whatsoever.

Anything that is government mandated is pure evil. I'm betting someone is getting massive payments because airbags are mandated.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not to mention that there is zero legitimate reason to remove the steering wheel in a street car anyway.

I've always wondered why nobody really makes a steering hub spacer to utilize with the OEM wheel. When I had the FRS, I wished the wheel sat a little closer to my chest given my seating my position within the car.

I'm not very tall either. Only 5'10". But I felt that if the OEM wheel could have been brought 1-2" closer to my chest, I'd have no interest in replacing.

The wheel in the 17MY cars is even better. Even more of a reason to keep it, if possible.

[ryoma]

I personally like small steering wheels. my '86 MR2 had a Momo wheel that had a diameter of about 11". I still have that steering wheel but I really don't want to put it in since this car came with an airbag (and the MR2 did not). the aftermarket isn't really making smaller diameter steering wheels and for an average of $500 per wheel that retains the airbag, I most likely would not switch it at all