Considering an AT

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Mule

And if my aunt had a ****, she'd be my uncle! Alas, she does not, so she's still my aunt and not my uncle.

In other words, the auto still doesn't deliver close to 95% of the performance...

Ugm....OK, unless she identifies as an Uncle in which case I don't think equipment lists matter any more.

0-60 is not the only measurement of performance, but if that is your primary measure, then yes, you are correct.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Ugm....OK, unless she identifies as an Uncle in which case I don't think equipment lists matter any more.



0-60 is not the only measurement of performance, but if that is your primary measure, then yes, your are correct.

It's obviously not my primary measure otherwise I would have purchased a different car 🙄

Simply an example I'm using to put the '95% of the performance' argument (which is hilariously based on nothing as far as I can tell) to rest.

Everyone here with an AT saying it's effectively equal performance - well, at least one performance metric says otherwise.


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[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Mule

Except Car and Driver test drove both and the auto was over a second slower from 0-60.

That's a meaningful difference in capabilities of the equipment.

No, that's a meaningful difference in the 0-60 time. No one seems to test rolling start times.

Originally Posted by Mule

Everyone here with an AT saying it's effectively equal performance - well, at least one performance metric says otherwise.

I'm not suggesting it's effectively equal performance. "Effectively" is undefined. That counters that argument.
Excellent. A sample size of one.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Excellent. A sample size of one.

Not a sample size of anything nitwit, a singular metric. Last I checked there is no general population of performance metrics rom which 'samples' can be drawn from.

Also, still waiting on ONE example from the whole 'AT = 95% of MT performance' crowd...

But sit there and snipe Captain - much easier to do!!


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[Mule]

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How's this - You owe it to yourself to TRY BOTH. Fair enough?


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[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Mule

Not a sample size of anything nitwit, a singular metric. Last I checked there is no general population of performance metrics rom which 'samples' can be drawn from.

Also, still waiting on ONE example from the whole 'AT = 95% of MT performance' crowd...

But sit there and snipe Captain - much easier to do!!

Thank you. I shall.

Originally Posted by Mule

If you don't have any physical impediments and you're fluent with a manual transmission, you owe it to yourself to get the transmission that you want.

Ftfy.
See, I don't really get this at vs mt discussion. What do you care what someone does with their car?
Oh wait, car forum

[mrg666]

What is the ratio of auto/manual cars manufactured? I can't find on Google.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Mule

I'll weigh in here since there doesn't seem to be a ton of MT love in this thread...

Aside from the awkwardly high engagement point of the clutch (which you get used to after driving it and not other MT cars after a while), this MT is one of the best in the business. And I've driven a TON of Porsches.

The auto, while a good transmission, is nowhere near the top of the heap when it comes to its peers. VW's DSG, Porsche's PDK, and even the now ubiquitous ZF 8-speed are all superior ATs.

If you don't have any physical impediments and you're fluent with a manual transmission, you owe it to yourself to get the transmission that has best perfected its job, and the MT in these cars represents a higher evolution.

Finally, I don't give a hoot what road you're on - nothing, NOTHING tops well executed downshift. I get to have 20-30 or so mini-orgasms every commute with my MT

Hope that helps.


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Originally Posted by Mule

I'm not quite sure what the aversion is to a MT DD...OP mentioned he's got some knee issues, which fine - but if you have two functioning knees and feet I'm not quite sure what the big deal is. I DD mine and frankly, my commute would be way more boring if I wasn't shifting.

I've driven an AT FRS too - great car! But it truly comes alive with a manual...


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Oh that is nicely condescending. "AT is OK if you are physically infirm but otherwise..."


People can't chose it just because they like how it performs? There has to be some other reason for them to degrade themselves to the level of an AT?


#MTFORLIFEYOUNLESSYOUHAVEPHYSICALISSUESOFCOURSE

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by mrg666

What is the ratio of auto/manual cars manufactured? I can't find on Google.

This is from 2016.
http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...115-story.html

[Jakinit]

Originally Posted by Mule

Oh yeah? Never considered it and now that I'm used to it I'm almost apprehensive to change it - is it much better with the engagement point lowered and spring removed?


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I did it about 6 months into owning mine and I regret not doing it sooner. The clutch sits a lot lower like a normal car (mine is actually a little lower than I was previously used to) and without the assist spring it is no longer mushy. You could probably do both in like 30 minutes.

[HKz]

my 2 cents...while the experience with each trans is obviously a little different (not any better/worse) and from what I remember the gas pedal with the AT felt a little different from the MT mainly with how the car initially accelerates, you still get nearly the same general vehicle behavior with either trans...and though the AT does benchmark a little worse than the MT, you don't really feel the difference from daily driving since the trans is quite smooth & shifts quickly.


people on either side of the fence are enjoying the same thing...get the trans that makes you feel most comfortable & happy

[Soloside]

How am I suppose to eat my breakfast sandwich and drink my coffee while shifting with manual?!?!?!?!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mrg666

What is the ratio of auto/manual cars manufactured? I can't find on Google.

There have been many anecdotal numbers given and many, many guesses given as "official" but nobody has ever been able to provide one piece of proof as to what the mix actually is.
It is safe to assume that there is a much larger percentage of MTs than "normal" cars but my guess is that at best it is 50/50. It could be much lower though since all 5 dealers I have spoken with say they get 3 ATs in for every MT.
The perceived number of MT vs AT on this forum is distorted since the people that post here tend to be the "enthusiasts" and have a bias toward MT. The reality is that for every person here there are a couple of hundred (at least) that just own the car because it is a nice looking, inexpensive coupe. The majority of that group are going to be AT owners.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Soloside

How am I suppose to eat my breakfast sandwich and drink my coffee while shifting with manual?!?!?!?!

Shaving is a bitch as well!