Um guys? Scion's Own FT86 Coming to New York Show Next month?

[OldSkoolToys]

Offering something in an automatic is not the same as making a severe powerplant swap. Automatic is just to push more units.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

Taking off badges and putting on the JDM version is so ricey. Leave that shit to the honda crew.

Can you really consider it rice if you are putting the badge that the car carries everywhere else in the word except here cause they think it will sell better under a "hip young" brand

I don't consider that rice but what I do consider rice would be say buying a wrx and dressin it up as a STI

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by Dimman

This company did decide to put a 4 speed automatic together with a 2ZZGE powerplant for the pre-Scion Celica.

Shhhhh, we don't talk about that anymore...

This is also the company that decided to put the 1ZZ-FED in the MR2 even though the 2ZZ-GE fits it better.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Offering something in an automatic is not the same as making a severe powerplant swap. Automatic is just to push more units.

So too would be the logic to offer a larger, lower-revving, torquier, cheaper, FB25.

My issue with Scion is that it has always been about image, never about performance and engineering. So I'm concerned about what idiotic things the marketing types would try to get changed to make it sell better as a Scion.

"We can't sell a 2.0L for more than the tC's 2.5L! People won't pay for that!"

"Why spend money engineering a 2.0L when we can just use an existing motor?"

"RWD? Isn't that DANGEROUS??? What if we get sued when people crash?"

"Who cares if it would be better for racing? That's only for show! Our customers won't know the difference."


See what I'm getting at?

[LexusFman]

It's too late to make any major design changes to the car other than eingine selection using existing powerplants. The Scion execs aren't that horrible. and what's with all this Scion hate? Scion tC's have alot of potential and ther'e GOOD for the tuning community. Scion programs increase development of tuning parts for all of their models. Ther'e even realizing putting a 1NZFE(the weakest toyota 4 cylinder since the 3E-E) in their cars is a mistake. Although their ricer commercials don't make anyones privates hard, you can't diss Scion just because a few ricer kids drive them.

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by LexusFman

It's too late to make any major design changes to the car other than eingine selection using existing powerplants. The Scion execs aren't that horrible. and what's with all this Scion hate? Scion tC's have alot of potential and ther'e GOOD for the tuning community. Scion programs increase development of tuning parts for all of their models. Ther'e even realizing putting a 1NZFE(the weakest toyota 4 cylinder since the 3E-E) in their cars is a mistake. Although their ricer commercials don't make anyones privates hard, you can't diss Scion just because a few ricer kids drive them.

No, but I can diss Scion for making the tC something it's not.

I'm not sure how much this says anything, but if I'm not mistaken the F in the engine codes designate an economy designed engine, and a G designates a performance based engine (ex: 2AR-FE, 3S-GE). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this would be accurate considering the tC's engine is taken from the Camry.

I'm not saying this makes the tC a horrible car (and I say that to cover my ass for our fellow tC owners) but I feel that Scion has always been a half-assed effort and that it would be nice if there was actually something designed specifically for what it is being advertised to be.

[TRDMAN]

Originally Posted by xantonin

No, but I can diss Scion for making the tC something it's not.

I'm not sure how much this says anything, but if I'm not mistaken the F in the engine codes designate an economy designed engine, and a G designates a performance based engine (ex: 2AR-FE, 3S-GE). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this would be accurate considering the tC's engine is taken from the Camry.

I'm not saying this makes the tC a horrible car (and I say that to cover my ass for our fellow tC owners) but I feel that Scion has always been a half-assed effort and that it would be nice if there was actually something designed specifically for what it is being advertised to be.

You are right the G is performance F is economy...

BUT my 1GR-Fe has me confused. I love the engine and its got plenty of power and torque.. it has a G and an F so what does that mean.

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by TRDMAN

You are right the G is performance F is economy...

BUT my 1GR-Fe has me confused. I love the engine and its got plenty of power and torque.. it has a G and an F so what does that mean.

GR is the engine family, 1 means it is the first generation.

The letters after the - indicate the type of engine. FE would mean F = narrow-angle valve DOHC with E = electronic fuel injection.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Dimman

So too would be the logic to offer a larger, lower-revving, torquier, cheaper, FB25.

My issue with Scion is that it has always been about image, never about performance and engineering. So I'm concerned about what idiotic things the marketing types would try to get changed to make it sell better as a Scion.

"We can't sell a 2.0L for more than the tC's 2.5L! People won't pay for that!"

"Why spend money engineering a 2.0L when we can just use an existing motor?"

"RWD? Isn't that DANGEROUS??? What if we get sued when people crash?"

"Who cares if it would be better for racing? That's only for show! Our customers won't know the difference."


See what I'm getting at?

When was the last time you heard Toyota talking about Performance and Engineering? Prius....Just saying..

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by xantonin

No, but I can diss Scion for making the tC something it's not.

I'm not sure how much this says anything, but if I'm not mistaken the F in the engine codes designate an economy designed engine, and a G designates a performance based engine (ex: 2AR-FE, 3S-GE). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this would be accurate considering the tC's engine is taken from the Camry.

I'm not saying this makes the tC a horrible car (and I say that to cover my ass for our fellow tC owners) but I feel that Scion has always been a half-assed effort and that it would be nice if there was actually something designed specifically for what it is being advertised to be.

Man if I had a dollar for every time someone said something about the engine being shared with the Camry. Guess that makes it a Camry, Rav4, and Corolla XRS all at the same time because they share a 2az-FE. Oh but wait, it has the same braking system as the Celica GTS....guess that makes it a Celica too.

In that aspect, the 240sx must be a truck also cause it got it's motor from one....

tC has NEVER been advertised to be a race car end of story. Don't get where you get this marketing from about promoting it to be something it's not. You see a commercial for Drifting with Tanner Foust on it in the tC and it get followed up by a Scion sales pitch? NO.....ya haven't because they have NEVER made a commercial in that aspect.

Just because Scion pumped money into the motorsports industry on some tC's (which they made championships out of), don't mean they made some marketing commercials for the general public to say...."Hey this is what you get from the dealership".

Does Mazda pump money into club racing Miata's or Miata race cars?
Does Honda pump money into Civic SI race cars?
Does Dodge pump money into SRT4 race programs?
Does Ford pump money into Mustang Drift programs?

What's the damn difference if Scion pumps money into a tC racing program? If you ask me, they did a better job and stimulating industry growth than anyone else has been for the past 5 years. The aftermarket grew essentially overnight for it.

[Zaku]

isn't the Camry engine in Lotus sports car as well? Just tuned differently? hmm this is a good question. Is there any chance that if this thing is a Scion well get some sort of Dual clutch set up, like a GTi. Or at least a good auto with Paddles. I like to get mine in manual but because I live in a high traffic area I like some options.

[LexusFman]

Originally Posted by Zaku

isn't the Camry engine in Lotus sports car as well? Just tuned differently? hmm this is a good question. Is the re any chance that if this thing is a Scion well get some sort of Dual clutch set up, like a GTi. Or at least a good auto with Paddles. I like to get mine in manual but because I live in a high traffic area I like some options.

I think so. A gearbox like the Is-F's would kick ass...but they have to offer it in manual or else the tuning community won't touch it *cough*Evo X DST *cough*. They do have the worlds fastest shifting transmission in the entire world to work from.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by LexusFman

Scion programs increase development of tuning parts for all of their models. Ther'e even realizing putting a 1NZFE(the weakest toyota 4 cylinder since the 3E-E) in their cars is a mistake.

The 1NZ engine has HUGE aftermarket support in Japan.

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Should there be a Scion version...please have a Toyota 4banger in it instead.


PS....I love my Scion, so kiss my ass.

It's not always about you or your tC, attention whore.

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by LexusFman

I think so. A gearbox like the Is-F's would kick ass...but they have to offer it in manual or else the tuning community won't touch it *cough*Evo X DST *cough*. They do have the worlds fastest shifting transmission in the entire world to work from.

I just get the feeling that, they're going to put some crappy Automatic without Paddles, on to the car to save cost. A dual Clutch setup would make it extremely competitive with the competition. I wouldn't mind paying extra for a FT-S with a gearbox on par with Gti's DST, or a rev machine auto like 370z. Your right they do have the IS-F 's box to work from, I just hope we get a good gearbox for people who want DST instead of Manual. Because DC and LA traffic is horrendous.