My apologies....

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Summed up as "you get to play more"

No clearly that's yet another superiority complex that makes this place a shit hole.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

No clearly that's yet another superiority complex that makes this place a shit hole.

OK, "you get to play differently"

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Silver Supra

Geez -

You all realize that 1st post is some good sarcasm, right? Right?
(some apparently don't)

Oh no! Now he'll have to start yet another whiny thread PMSing about how people here just don't get his sarcasm.

[Silver Supra]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Sure it is. It is dark sarcasm based on the fact that not everybody agreed with him that the Kia is the 4 door 86 in another thread. He totally missed what they were trying to say and in now all bent out of shape.
Although I don't disagree with his thoughts on some owners I don't think a new thread to complain about and lash out at the people that disagreed was the right move and does indeed make it whining.
Now, if this was written as satire or irony and intended to be funny then I missed it completely.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120737

Read the original thread and point out where anybody acted as the OP stated in the opening of this thread. It just isn't there. This thread is a gross overreaction.

I had not seen the reference thread - I guess the title did not particularly interest me.
I did go back and read it and decided there is an in-between point here. Yeah, he probably did not like it that basically no one agreed with his original thoughts. However, in this thread, he did not paint all or most of 86-owners in this light. He said some. And I think some did exhibit a slight bit of snobbery (which happens with all makes) against anything KIA - which is not unusual, a lot of people look down on Korean manufacturers.
But yes, this thread is a bit of an over-reaction even for that since most here are pretty reasonable.
I have some biases and I love the make/model car I have driven the past 17 years, but I like interesting cars - and that is exactly one reason I am looking at getting a FR-S or BRZ for a fun car. I would probably be interested in a Stinger if I got a test drive. (Full disclosure - I loved the 2011 Sonata turbo we had for my wife's car, and we now have an Equus that we both like (neither were for fun!!).

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Oh no! Now he'll have to start yet another whiny thread PMSing about how people here just don't get his sarcasm.

Well - I hope not. If he will just buckle up and enjoy the ride wherever it takes him, it will be better for all of us.
Anyway, if @Tcoat and I start going back and forth, there will be dozens of pages of comments and triple quotes!!

[Silver Supra]

Originally Posted by HKz

indeed, the way a car handles and accelerates between an auto and manual is pretty insignificant especially these days as most torque convertors are not much heavier than a manual tranny but this issue has nothing to do with better performance...autos have been faster than human limbs for a long time now. it is all about the connection and additional feel you get with the experience.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Summed up as "you get to play more"

I get it that a lot of guys just gotta have a manual to have fun. I was that way when autos really were slushboxes, and my son still is. However, I now find autos are so good (and fast) that I prefer spending that extra focus on other parts of the driving experience - like steering and braking!

[Ultramaroon]

The whole post, but especially this:

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Go on midnight drives and tell your buddies about how you rocked the toe-gay last night, keep revs above 5k at all times, (don't worry, you don't have to actually drive fast)

[mrg666]

Move-on everyone! Enough psychology. Let's get back to cars. I still think Stinger is a nice car but we have a better car to talk about.

[NyC Zn6]

Just read about the Stinger and that Kia sounds promising. 2800lbs at 315 hp sounds like fun. Nice to see companies still making affordable sports cars.

[mrg666]

Kia and Hyundai are so much better than several years ago. I have driven a 2017 Hyundai Sonata from NY to WDC a couple months ago. It was very impressive for a sedan. I would consider it before Nissan Altima and Honda Accord.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Silver Supra

.........................Anyway, if @Tcoat and I start going back and forth, there will be dozens of pages of comments and triple quotes!!

Luck for you (us) ....... it's the weekend ..........


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Silver Supra

I get it that a lot of guys just gotta have a manual to have fun. I was that way when autos really were slushboxes, and my son still is. However, I now find autos are so good (and fast) that I prefer spending that extra focus on other parts of the driving experience - like steering and braking!

My MT statement was sarcasm. What you just said is my standard comment in the monthly ATVs MT debacles.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

My MT statement was sarcasm. What you just said is my standard comment in the monthly ATVs MT debacles.

We have monthly ATVs?

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Silver Supra

I get it that a lot of guys just gotta have a manual to have fun. I was that way when autos really were slushboxes, and my son still is. However, I now find autos are so good (and fast) that I prefer spending that extra focus on other parts of the driving experience - like steering and braking!

eh..again, the fact that autos are faster is totally besides the point, it has been that way for at least 20 years now (even longer if you count motorsports)..I still had fun with my auto FRS but to me the manual is even more fun. For some people I get that the additional interaction may not make the driving experience more enjoyable but they cannot argue that it certainly provides more stimulation...and if one feels that driving a manual takes away focus from other aspects of driving it just means they still need more practice.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

We have monthly ATVs?

The damn things just break so easily.