How common is torque dip?

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by paulca

LOL. Bike is worse! The Hendon Shuffle it's called.

Stop the bike with you right foot on the brake, so you can use both brakes safely.
Left foot thus goes down as you stop.
If it's a wait, left foot up, right foot down, secure bike with front brake.
Shift into neutral with you left foot.
Put your left leg back down and put your right leg back up.
Reapply the rear brake and release the front.
Bike secure.
When the lights begin to change, reverse the process.
Left foot up, right foot down, 1st.
Right foot up, left foot down, rear brake on.
Bite clutch and full away releasing the rear brake.
Both feet up.

You'll laugh and think it looks ridiculous but a lot of people still ride this way as it's how they were taught. Personally I only do it if I know it will be a long stop and holding the clutch can get annoying. I've become so used to stopping with my left foot down I end up having to do the "Hendon shuffle" anyway to get neutral.

I always just stay in first. It's even taught here to do so for "safety" reasons.

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[SuperTom]

Very common like catching a cold. You can sweat it out and hope conditions improve but most suffer a Slow death. Top Subaru doctors have yet to figure out the cure with all the funding in the world. But yet a few back alley doctors have created something called a "tune" to allow you to live with this disease. Also a few witchdoctors from overseas dance around some metal piping which they call "UEL" that seems to help with the severe symptoms as well.

[Shinigami301]

Originally Posted by Andrew025

I always just stay in first. It's even taught here to do so for "safety" reasons.

That's true, but if you don't do it the way described above, you won't pass the license exam in several other countries. Ironically, those countries do tend to allow filtering, which reduces the safety based need to keep the bike in gear at a stoplight.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by paulca

LOL. Bike is worse! The Hendon Shuffle it's called.

That's straight-up stupidity.

I made an honest effort to follow your speeds/shifts on my drive from home to Vancouver today. About two miles of city driving and seven on the highway. I would have failed just getting out of my parking garage.

You seem to be taught and expected to drive (rounding up) two gears to high for every situation. I'm still in first, you'd be in third. I want engine braking and instant (almost, I guess) throttle response in almost every situation by keeping the revs up, where you are tooling around at the very bottom of the rev range almost to the point of lugging the engine, something far worse for the car than winding it out, apparently out of concerns about losing control of the car from engine braking and throttle response.

I hit four k in the city, over five k on the highway all under the speed limit, in utterly normal driving conditions, and I only know that because I was taking my eyes off the road to look, something I don't usually do.

You have utterly Byzantine procedures, especially the MC regulations, required by law to guard against the most unlikely things. I thought we (the US) are becoming a safety-culture, but we've got nothing on the UK. I used to think Clarkson was over-selling the safety culture there, no so any more. I feel sad for drivers in the UK who have anything other than an transportation appliance utterly hamstrung out of what appears to be fear and a dangerous fascination with safety.

I'm glad I live here, where I can go for a drive in my awesome little car and drive "normally", which, from your posts, is considered to be criminal there. I can not imagine how slowly Pius drivers must move there. What a waste of machinery.

I don't know how to explain it any better than that.

[why?]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

That's straight-up stupidity.

I made an honest effort to follow your speeds/shifts on my drive from home to Vancouver today. About two miles of city driving and seven on the highway. I would have failed just getting out of my parking garage.

You seem to be taught and expected to drive (rounding up) two gears to high for every situation. I'm still in first, you'd be in third. I want engine braking and instant (almost, I guess) throttle response in almost every situation by keeping the revs up, where you are tooling around at the very bottom of the rev range almost to the point of lugging the engine, something far worse for the car than winding it out, apparently out of concerns about losing control of the car from engine braking and throttle response.

I hit four k in the city, over five k on the highway all under the speed limit, in utterly normal driving conditions, and I only know that because I was taking my eyes off the road to look, something I don't usually do.

You have utterly Byzantine procedures, especially the MC regulations, required by law to guard against the most unlikely things. I thought we (the US) are becoming a safety-culture, but we've got nothing on the UK. I used to think Clarkson was over-selling the safety culture there, no so any more. I feel sad for drivers in the UK who have anything other than an transportation appliance utterly hamstrung out of what appears to be fear and a dangerous fascination with safety.

I'm glad I live here, where I can go for a drive in my awesome little car and drive "normally", which, from your posts, is considered to be criminal there. I can not imagine how slowly Pius drivers must move there. What a waste of machinery.

I don't know how to explain it any better than that.

The real difference is in the UK you really do not need a vehicle. It is very easy to live without one. Because of that they think of driving totally different than we do.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by allowe

This thread went from torque dip to grandpas to rubbing lotion on asses...




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Just for the record, guilty of the grandpas thing, I have nothing to do with the ass lotion thing.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by why?

The real difference is in the UK you really do not need a vehicle. It is very easy to live without one. Because of that they think of driving totally different than we do.

America is a bit bigger.

[Sapphireho]

Ok, one more grandpa story. He built a thriving trucking business over his life with trucks he hired drivers for, a yard with storage for rent, and a top notch mechanic shop that could do anything a truck needed and employed a lot of good people. My uncles and cousins took it over after gp died. Then one day a couple guys from the gubment came by and say the shop and gas pump ruined the earth. Between the fines and payoffs the gubment bankrupted the shop and family. The property in the desert sits empty to this day.

The end.

Oh yea, torque dip, what a bitch.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by paulca

LOL. Bike is worse! The Hendon Shuffle it's called.

Stop the bike with you right foot on the brake, so you can use both brakes safely.
Left foot thus goes down as you stop.
If it's a wait, left foot up, right foot down, secure bike with front brake.
Shift into neutral with you left foot.
Put your left leg back down and put your right leg back up.
Reapply the rear brake and release the front.
Bike secure.
When the lights begin to change, reverse the process.
Left foot up, right foot down, 1st.
Right foot up, left foot down, rear brake on.
Bite clutch and full away releasing the rear brake.
Both feet up.

You'll laugh and think it looks ridiculous but a lot of people still ride this way as it's how they were taught. Personally I only do it if I know it will be a long stop and holding the clutch can get annoying. I've become so used to stopping with my left foot down I end up having to do the "Hendon shuffle" anyway to get neutral.

Well, so much for me legally riding a motorcycle in the UK - I couldn't remember all that ......

Back in the day, mrs humfrz and I spent a week in Brighton. I got tired of the English food so, I hired this cab driver to take us out in the country for some "country food".

He took us to a hunting type lodge on the out shirts of town, where I chowed down on some sort of "pot roast". I think they made it out of the wilder parts of a wild boar .....

On the way back, down this country road (which looked more like a narrow lane), I made the comment about him driving on the "wrong" side of the road. So, he drove on the "other side" of the road, till I made him get back over ......


THE END


humfrz

[Capt Spaulding]

Wow! That was ........................... interesting.

For the record, I'd not have a chance of surviving in the UK. If I didn't get hauled in for driving my BRZ above 4.5k or unsuccessfully executing the WTF shuffle on my motorcycle, they'd nail me for the Benchmade Griptillian in my pocket, or the AR15 in the trunk.

This is, after all, Texas. I guess I'll have to stay.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

Wow! That was ........................... interesting.

For the record, I'd not have a chance of surviving in the UK. If I didn't get hauled in for driving my BRZ above 4.5k or unsuccessfully executing the WTF shuffle on my motorcycle, they'd nail me for the Benchmade Griptillian in my pocket, or the AR15 in the trunk.

This is, after all, Texas. I guess I'll have to stay.

I had to look that up ....... I thought you were carrying some sort of reptile in your pocket .......


humfrz

[wireman957]

Originally Posted by paulca

LOL. Bike is worse! The Hendon Shuffle it's called.

Stop the bike with you right foot on the brake, so you can use both brakes safely.
Left foot thus goes down as you stop.
If it's a wait, left foot up, right foot down, secure bike with front brake.
Shift into neutral with you left foot.
Put your left leg back down and put your right leg back up.
Reapply the rear brake and release the front.
Bike secure.
When the lights begin to change, reverse the process.
Left foot up, right foot down, 1st.
Right foot up, left foot down, rear brake on.
Bite clutch and full away releasing the rear brake.
Both feet up.

You'll laugh and think it looks ridiculous but a lot of people still ride this way as it's how they were taught. Personally I only do it if I know it will be a long stop and holding the clutch can get annoying. I've become so used to stopping with my left foot down I end up having to do the "Hendon shuffle" anyway to get neutral.

Sorry, Paul is starting to remind me of this Monty Python scene:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejaWq2TXRXE"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejaWq2TXRXE[/ame]

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by humfrz

I had to look that up ....... I thought you were carrying some sort of reptile in your pocket .......


humfrz

Different part of my pants.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by paulca

LOL. Bike is worse! The Hendon Shuffle it's called.

Stop the bike with you right foot on the brake, so you can use both brakes safely.
Left foot thus goes down as you stop.
If it's a wait, left foot up, right foot down, secure bike with front brake.
Shift into neutral with you left foot.
Put your left leg back down and put your right leg back up.
Reapply the rear brake and release the front.
Bike secure.
When the lights begin to change, reverse the process.
Left foot up, right foot down, 1st.
Right foot up, left foot down, rear brake on.
Bite clutch and full away releasing the rear brake.
Both feet up.

You put your right foot in, you put your left foot out, you put you right foot in and then you shake.......

Wait, I think I did this before.