200hp / 2700lbs - Really?

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

i dissagree with you here, you cant have something fun that is fuel efficient. if you think you can, name me one fun car (2 door rwd agile and reasonably fast) that is fuel efficient (<7L/100km)

I had written a reply to what you initially posted:

Originally Posted by 70NYD

i dissagree with you here, you cant have something fun that is fuel efficient. if you think you can, name me 1 sports car that is fuel efficient (in recent years)

Here are three: MX5 (which regularly exceeds its MPG rating), MR2 Spyder, Elise.

But you rewrote your post so that if it doesn't attain 33.6 MPG, it's not considered fuel efficient. That's just silly. After getting 19-22 MPG in my WRX and 15-18 MPG in my RX8, I appreciate my MX5's 27-30 MPG (~75% spirited driving on hilly, rural roads; ~25% in-town; <1% highway).

Originally Posted by 70NYD

also in regards to a prius, i am fairly sure that topgear did a prius at top speed around their track, followed by a M3 that matched the prius speed.. and the M3 was more fuel efficient.. so prius is only good while you grandma it.. after that it becomes a SUV (slow yet fuel guzzler)

That Topgear episode was amusing (as usual), but you've come to the wrong conclusion about its results.

All cars sucks down fuel when you race them. The M3, with its grippier tires, superior suspension/chassis, and much more powerful engine basically idled around the track keeping up with the Prius, which was being flogged on its thin high-MPG tires (if memory serves, both vehicles got approx 17 MPG in that test).

The Prius isn't any fun, but it gets 50+ MPG city and 45+ highway with normal driving, doubling or tripling most SUVs. Baby it and you do better. Race it and you do worse.

[Midship Runabout]

The c5 corvettes get decent gas milage rwd 2 door and 350ish hp. All while (probably) beating a ft86 in ANY race and can be found for under 20k with lowish miles all day long. Some of you power hungry people need to look else where... just sayin.

[Mouse]

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

The c5 corvettes get decent gas milage rwd 2 door and 350ish hp. All while (probably) beating a ft86 in ANY race and can be found for under 20k with lowish miles all day long. Some of you power hungry people need to look else where... just sayin.

True...My moms C5 gets 25mpg hwy.

[djohnson]

I know it's not a production model yet, but the GRMN Concept car looks like it could be quite fun (RWD) and 1.5L motors would have to be pushed to not get good fuel economy while moving a <2200 lb vehicle. Or is my logic completely off? And yes, I agree that the body on that concept could use a good bit of work.

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by Dimman

You are not an enthusiast like us. You are here trying to convince yourself to not buy this car because it will be slower in a straight line than V6 family sedans.

You don't get this car. You are not like us.

couldn't agree more

[Matador]

Originally Posted by VenomRush

...and heres the proof

TechnoPro Spirits MR-S = total badassery. Also raped the Amuse S2000, and an S15 500hp Silvia and an S14 round a circuit.

Originally Posted by tachi1247

We don't need another $20k sports car without the stones to back up its looks. If you want that car just go and buy a Tc and get a TRD supercharger.

hmmm. I must have glossed over all the other light, rwd, $20k sports cars that are on the market.

Originally Posted by cyde01

it doesn't need 11.3!!!!! why should it HAVE to have the same power/weight as a v6? 13.5 is more than enough!!!!!

Personally, I would love to have a p/w in the 12lb range, but 13.5 would be fairly acceptable.... For the right price.

Originally Posted by tachi1247

A sports car, by definition, should outperform a family sedan in a race, even if said sports car isn't designed as a drag racer.

Pretty sure a Miata can hand a V6 accord it's ass around a circuit or down a mountain road. I'm betting you also won't see many family sedans at the strip. You shouldn't be draggin stop light to stop light, moron.

Originally Posted by Dimman

You are not an enthusiast like us. You are here trying to convince yourself to not buy this car because it will be slower in a straight line than V6 family sedans.

You don't get this car. You are not like us.

My current sports car is not slower in a straight line than V6 family sedans, nor even than lightly modded previous-gen Mustang GTs. So why am I interested in this car?

Originally Posted by matadormi5

1) Sports cars in their current form. As I was saying, the FT-86 is a new breed of sports car (which just so happens to be the essence of the classic which it is inspired by, the AE86)

2) Then why would Toyota want to produce a car that will compete with a breed that is dying off?

I wouldn't say it's a totally new breed of sports car. It's more so a breed that hasn't been around in a very long time.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

TechnoPro Spirits MR-S = total badassery. Also raped the Amuse S2000, and an S15 500hp Silvia and an S14 round a circuit.

It also beat Tsuchiya's personal touge monster AE86 on the downhill.


But fanboyness aside from that, yes that car is amazing and if ANYTHING, TehcnoPro showed us how badass a ZZW would've been with the 2ZZ instead of the 1ZZ.

[NESW20]

you see what happens when you place an engine where it belongs? it does work, son.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

A sports car, by definition, should outperform a family sedan in a race, even if said sports car isn't designed as a drag racer.

That isn't the definition of a sports car.

Cheap, lightweight, RWD, four seats... currently, we can choose 3. If the FT86 gets close to its target weight, we'll get all 4. If acceleration is more important to you than any of those, you're in the wrong forum.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

It also beat Tsuchiya's personal touge monster AE86 on the downhill.


But fanboyness aside from that, yes that car is amazing and if ANYTHING, TehcnoPro showed us how badass a ZZW would've been with the 2ZZ instead of the 1ZZ.

**sigh** Tell me about it.

Originally Posted by NESW20

you see what happens when you place an engine where it belongs? it does work, son.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by DesertSpool

From what I make out here is this.....

People with little extra cash want something special.... FI, 250+ hp

People that can't afford performance.....dont.

If you're still in HS hoping your paper route will cover this car.....seriously.....reconsider your priorities in life, don't beg for a water down version of a possibly really cool affordable car for the rest of the world. Sports cars are typically in the category "not super cheap".....get over it, buy a used civic, get a degree and THEN consider a nice car purchase.....until then drive a POS like the rest of us did.

I'm fairly perplexed by your post. While I agree with the first sentence in your last paragraph, you come off as quite an ass... and your definition of "special" doesn't match that of everyone else.

I think most people on here don't mind ...in fact expect, an authentic, genuinely good NA base model with good dynamics, light weight and economical operation. After that, a turbo model, with why not say 275+hp boosted. Why compromise between both and make entry more expensive so you can feel that you've accomplish something by buying a cheap sports car that other broke people can't afford?

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by DesertSpool

From what I make out here is this.....

People with little extra cash want something special.... FI, 250+ hp

People that can't afford performance.....dont.

If you're still in HS hoping your paper route will cover this car.....seriously.....reconsider your priorities in life, don't beg for a water down version of a possibly really cool affordable car for the rest of the world. Sports cars are typically in the category "not super cheap".....get over it, buy a used civic, get a degree and THEN consider a nice car purchase.....until then drive a POS like the rest of us did.

you seem to be confused. some people can afford pretty much any price range that this could POSSIBLY be in, but still want something more simple, 200hp n/a, etc... some of us have other cars with >250hp.

[Franisco]

Well I guess what they say about z owners is true..

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by DesertSpool

Why? The Scion Tc already exists....

I HATED the last iteration of the Celica because it was an underpowered high school girl car...... The Supra was definitely a mans vehicle..... In this situation it feels like Toyota confused as to what to do. Is making a lightweight FI car that costs less than 30K really asking too much?

if i wanted a TC, i would already own one.