road rage chain reaction video

[bfrank1972]

"The CHP is handling the investigation and did not cite the driver of the sedan."

WTF, throw that asshole in jail

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

"on their way to work when they noticed a sedan cut off a motorcycle to get into the HOV lane. Traber took out his phone and started recording."


We have no clue how it started and who did what since it wasn't shown.
Even if the car did cut the bike off his action only escalated the situation. A simple finger and some choice words would have been enough the whole kick was not reasonable.
The car drivers actions were so grossly inappropriate even for the kick that he should be charged with attempted homicide. The bike rider could have caused a dent and a scratch the car driver could have killed him! I would say serves him right if it wasn't for the poor SOB in the truck that got creamed.

While it may be likely, the driver could easily state that he panicked hearing the thud of the guy kicking his car and lost control (of the vehicle, not his emotions) as a result.

If he has a good lawyer that biker is fucked royally. Road rage, hit and run. That alone will put him in the realm of criminal contributory negligence.

Both of them are lucky that no one died as a result of that crash. As it is, with an injury, that biker is going to probably be charged with a felony hit and run.

Jaden

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

"The CHP is handling the investigation and did not cite the driver of the sedan."

WTF, throw that asshole in jail

So... what is the charge? Just throw them in jail for wreckless driving?

If so, I can probably count 10 or 20 forum members that have "accidentally damaged their cars" that should also be in jail too.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by mav1178

So... what is the charge? Just throw them in jail for wreckless driving?

If so, I can probably count 10 or 20 forum members that have "accidentally damaged their cars" that should also be in jail too.

Yes, throw them in jail for reckless driving, and aggravated assault with a motor vehicle. It's obvious in the video that the car driver was trying to really hurt the person on the bike. Yes the bike rider was stupid and apparently trying to kick the guy's car, but that's no justification for trying to knock him into the divider. If he wasn't an experienced rider he'd probably be dead. Not to mention the other drivers on the road that he actually hurt or potentially put at risk. He apologized after, that's BS, there needs to be repercussions here.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Yes, throw them in jail for reckless driving, and aggravated assault with a motor vehicle. It's obvious in the video that the car driver was trying to really hurt the person on the bike. Yes the bike rider was stupid and apparently trying to kick the guy's car, but that's no justification for trying to knock him into the divider. If he wasn't an experienced rider he'd probably be dead. Not to mention the other drivers on the road that he actually hurt or potentially put at risk. He apologized after, that's BS, there needs to be repercussions here.

So just throw one person in jail and the motorcyclist gets off scott free?

As already mentioned, the driver of the sedan can claim that he panicked and made an error. So just prosecute based on this and try to win based on aggravated assault charge?

I'm not a lawyer and even I see tons of holes in this line of reasoning, and a waste of taxpayer dollars. The moment the biker took off, it suddenly became a criminal case primarily on him. The sedan driver will get charged with wreckless driving or something else, but I'm not the CHP and I'm not trying to collect all the facts.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by mav1178

So... what is the charge? Just throw them in jail for wreckless driving?

If so, I can probably count 10 or 20 forum members that have "accidentally damaged their cars" that should also be in jail too.

It would likely be hit and run in an injury accident, which is felony hit and run.

Jaden

[guybo]

Too bad the biker didn't get creamed. That would have been a Darwin Award winner. Humanity would be better off without that moron spawning. What a dope, little bike kicking that much more massive CAR. In 99% of instances the bike would get the worst of that. The loser in the car should got to prison for a long time and the biker should too.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Jaden

It would likely be hit and run in an injury accident, which is felony hit and run.

Jaden

Yup.

For the driver of the sedan it's currently wreckless driving, pending more evidence.

And if the driver of the sedan will be thrown in jail for wreckless driving, then we have plenty of forum members that also belong in jail... for wreckless driving.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Yup.

For the driver of the sedan it's currently wreckless driving, pending more evidence.

And if the driver of the sedan will be thrown in jail for wreckless driving, then we have plenty of forum members that also belong in jail... for wreckless driving.

You keep talking about forum members going to jail for the same reasoning. I can't believe you're saying that after watching the video. Not saying the biker was faultless, at all!

What's blatantly obvious to me is the bike rider provoked the car driver to literally attempt to side swipe and run the biker into the concrete wall. I see all sorts of stories on this forum, but no one saying "I tried to kill some m-f on a bike by swerving into him, then lost control of my car, and took out some elderly guy in his truck at 50 mph". One was being stupid and reckless. maybe scratching or denting someone else's car. The other lost his mind and is just stupid lucky they didn't cause one or more deaths in that incident. If you call that a 'hole' in my thinking, then we'll just have to agree to disagree, I'm not open for debate.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

You keep talking about forum members going to jail for the same reasoning. I can't believe you're saying that after watching the video. Not saying the biker was faultless, at all!

Again, all I'm saying is that there is not enough evidence to pin assault (or higher) charges on the driver of the sedan.

What was done was stupid. But right now it's definitely wreckless driving, and whether you can make the rest of the charges stick or not is up to the investigators, the DA, and anyone else wishing to pursue legal action on this matter.

You wrote "WTF, throw that asshole in jail". All I'm saying is it's not that simple... if it were, we'd probably have a prison population twice of what we have right now due to "simple stupidity" in the general population.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Again, all I'm saying is that there is not enough evidence to pin assault (or higher) charges on the driver of the sedan.

What was done was stupid. But right now it's definitely wreckless driving, and whether you can make the rest of the charges stick or not is up to the investigators, the DA, and anyone else wishing to pursue legal action on this matter.

You wrote "WTF, throw that asshole in jail". All I'm saying is it's not that simple... if it were, we'd probably have a prison population twice of what we have right now due to "simple stupidity" in the general population.

Sedan driver will likely get charged with a misdemeanor of wreckless driving and 3 points against his license for causing an injury accident. If he has other tickets it may result in driving probation and/or suspension.

Aside from that with the evidence available, it would be really hard to convict him of anything else unless he's a complete moron AND decides to self represent.

Jaden

p.s. with a good lawyer, he may even be able to avoid conviction on the wreckless driving charge.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Again, all I'm saying is that there is not enough evidence to pin assault (or higher) charges on the driver of the sedan.

What was done was stupid. But right now it's definitely wreckless driving, and whether you can make the rest of the charges stick or not is up to the investigators, the DA, and anyone else wishing to pursue legal action on this matter.

You wrote "WTF, throw that asshole in jail". All I'm saying is it's not that simple... if it were, we'd probably have a prison population twice of what we have right now due to "simple stupidity" in the general population.

Ok, I get your point, sorry just get a little riled up when I see crap like that. To me it's not that far off from someone pulling out a pistol and taking a shot (and missing).

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Again, all I'm saying is that there is not enough evidence to pin assault (or higher) charges on the driver of the sedan.

What was done was stupid. But right now it's definitely wreckless driving, and whether you can make the rest of the charges stick or not is up to the investigators, the DA, and anyone else wishing to pursue legal action on this matter.

You wrote "WTF, throw that asshole in jail". All I'm saying is it's not that simple... if it were, we'd probably have a prison population twice of what we have right now due to "simple stupidity" in the general population.

Originally Posted by Jaden

Sedan driver will likely get charged with a misdemeanor of wreckless driving and 3 points against his license for can ausing an injury accident. If he has other tickets it may result in driving probation and/or suspension.

Aside from that with the evidence available, it would be really hard to convict him of anything else unless he's a complete moron AND decides to self represent.

Jaden

p.s. with a good lawyer, he may even be able to avoid conviction on the wreckless driving charge.

Forgive my ignorance on the American legal system but am I correct in the assumption that the truck driver could sue the sedan even if no charges were laid?

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Forgive my ignorance on the American legal system but am I correct in the assumption that the truck driver could sue the sedan even if no charges were laid?

Yes he could sue and would likely win a judgement against him for contributory negligence.

Jaden