Subaru Testing a BRZ with STI Badging and a Big Wing

[Lebby83]

Originally Posted by NLS8520

Can we assume this will arrive as a 2018 model? Anyone have any video footage from Boxerfest?

They said it would be a 2018 arriving in 2018.

[2013dgmbrzdood]

Originally Posted by DSOmegaX

The 2015 tS was equivalent to $30k USD when it was sold in Japan, which for what was in it was actually pretty well priced. Obviously it'll be much more expensive here with export, shipping, certification, etc.

Well I'm confused, what I read is


There are four colours to choose from – WR Blue Pearl, Crystal Black Silica, Sunrise Yellow and Crystal White Pearl, with the latter two colours costing an additional RM986. The six-speeder stick shifter variant is priced at ¥3,990,000

3990000 Japanese Yen equals
36334.8552
This is also confirmed by motortrends test and info on jdm ts at suzuka circuit est at 36 us equivalent.

Pretty sure we all know they have models as cheap as 20,000 usd equivalent in Japan.

Not a budget car or budget brz, even in Japan.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

Well I'm confused, what I read is


There are four colours to choose from – WR Blue Pearl, Crystal Black Silica, Sunrise Yellow and Crystal White Pearl, with the latter two colours costing an additional RM986. The six-speeder stick shifter variant is priced at ¥3,990,000

3990000 Japanese Yen equals
36334.8552
This is also confirmed by motortrends test and info on jdm ts at suzuka circuit est at 36 us equivalent.

Pretty sure we all know they have models as cheap as 20,000 usd equivalent in Japan.

Not a budget car or budget brz, even in Japan.

You can't compare yen to USD in a direct conversion. The exchange rate has varied from ¥85/$1 to ¥120/$1 since the BRZ hit the US market. The cars are priced for what the market will bear in the US and the spec will be modified to ensure the vehicle is profitable in the US.


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[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Little surprised they went with Sachs instead of Bilstein for the tS just based on history but...:shrug:.

I think this could be a cost or supply issue. They already admitted prior that they went with Showa during the first tS run because Bilstein is more expensive and they couldn't finalized the part in time for production. It's either that or the Sachs part performs almost if not just as good while costing much less.

IIRC the optional dampers for the current standard WRX STI in Japan and also on the Levorg STI Sport is Bilstein.

[nikitopo]

The '15 JDM tS car had a Bilstein damper, but this is a newer tS car. I don't think the selection was made based on the cost. For example, the retail price between Sachs and Bilstein in Germany is similar. Maybe Subaru believes they are an improvement. Other reputable tuners in Japan are also switching to Sachs. The GT300 BRZ also uses Sachs dampers.

Same can be said about the rear wing, which is not as the one in the '13 JDM tS car. It looks that the newer wing has some aero improvements for better stability.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by krayzie

I think this could be a cost or supply issue. They already admitted prior that they went with Showa during the first tS run because Bilstein is more expensive and they couldn't finalized the part in time for production. It's either that or the Sachs part performs almost if not just as good while costing much less.

IIRC the optional dampers for the current standard WRX STI in Japan and also on the Levorg STI Sport is Bilstein.

Originally Posted by nikitopo

The '15 JDM tS car had a Bilstein damper, but this is a newer tS car. I don't think the selection was made based on the cost. For example, the retail price between Sachs and Bilstein in Germany is similar. Maybe Subaru believes they are an improvement. Other reputable tuners in Japan are also switching to Sachs. The GT300 BRZ also uses Sachs dampers.

Same can be said about the rear wing, which is not as the one in the '13 JDM tS car. It looks that the newer wing has some aero improvements for better stability.

Although there could have been other contractual considerations the number one deciding factor would indeed be cost. The project would have been sent to tender for X number of parts with Y specs and whoever meets the specs at the lowest price (and other possible considerations) gets the work.

Retail prices mean nothing in the OEM supply world. Sachs could even be selling at a loss per unit just to have their name attached to the car or for other considerations. You have to throw everything you know about costs out the window when talking OEM deals.

[Swift]

the million dollar question is if this is an STI with TS parts....or a TS with STI parts

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Swift

the million dollar question is if this is an STI with TS parts....or a TS with STI parts

That's such a hillbilly question outside of North America.

[DSOmegaX]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Although there could have been other contractual considerations the number one deciding factor would indeed be cost. The project would have been sent to tender for X number of parts with Y specs and whoever meets the specs at the lowest price (and other possible considerations) gets the work.



Retail prices mean nothing in the OEM supply world. Sachs could even be selling at a loss per unit just to have their name attached to the car or for other considerations. You have to throw everything you know about costs out the window when talking OEM deals.

Yeah, just as how the brembo brake system are not true brembos at all. They're rebranded sumitomos that they then paid to have the brembo name endorsed upon.

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

Guys you don't really want the recaro's as it would in my mind a minimum of 5,000 probably closer to 8,000 including wing etc usd to get a package that includes them.

They must have figured we were too smart to spend 8 grand for seats and a wing instead of actual performance.
Plz resist urge to fanboi

That is so true....i really don't think Us spec ts will come with those chairs.

We will know when the car actually comes out but i don't think it will receive that many special things as they did on the japanese tS.

[johan]

Originally Posted by DSOmegaX

Yeah, just as how the brembo brake system are not true brembos at all. They're rebranded sumitomos that they then paid to have the brembo name endorsed upon.

Can you elaborate on this?

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Swift

the million dollar question is if this is an STI with TS parts....or a TS with STI parts

Correction: Million dollar question, will it be fast? It must be quick to warrant such a humongous rear thingy..

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by johan

Can you elaborate on this?

Just like how Ohlins Road & Track suspension kits are not real Ohlins, but rebranded Carrozzeria products from Japan.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

That is so true....i really don't think Us spec ts will come with those chairs.

We will know when the car actually comes out but i don't think it will receive that many special things as they did on the japanese tS.

I can't believe nobody mentioned that there were two trims for the BRZ tS in Japan, the standard one without a wing and stock seats, and the more limited GT Package that came with the ramen table wing and Recaros.

Looks like they are giving us half the GT package here.

Even for the WRX STI tS there were the standard trim and the NBR Challenge Pack trim.

Don't get so hung up on Recaros and Brembos. It's like shoes with Vibram outsoles, so much hype but the truth is you will end up slipping on the ground more compare to the non-branded rubber.