Um guys? Scion's Own FT86 Coming to New York Show Next month?

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by Dimman

That's a ridiculous comparison.

Why? The general assuption is that being a Scion brand will ruin the car.

I agree, because I hate Scion. But the thought popped in my head that the one in 1,000,000 chance they succeed with releasing it decently as a Scion may happen. And if it did, screw it then I'd go for the Scion.

I asked the comparison to see how many people would be biased on the brand name alone.

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by xantonin

Why? The general assuption is that being a Scion brand will ruin the car.

I agree, because I hate Scion. But the thought popped in my head that the one in 1,000,000 chance they succeed with releasing it decently as a Scion may happen. And if it did, screw it then I'd go for the Scion.

I asked the comparison to see how many people would be biased on the brand name alone.

I get what you mean. If nothing was mechanically different and it was just a badge change, I think less than 15% of the hopeful buyers(us on the forums) would turn away.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by xantonin

Why? The general assuption is that being a Scion brand will ruin the car.

I agree, because I hate Scion. But the thought popped in my head that the one in 1,000,000 chance they succeed with releasing it decently as a Scion may happen. And if it did, screw it then I'd go for the Scion.

I asked the comparison to see how many people would be biased on the brand name alone.

Why? It's like you were asking to pick between a POS under a Toyota badge and an epic sports car under the Scion brand. It's completely unrealistic.

Scion is my last resort for this car, barring ridiculous pricing difference between it and a Subaru version. And, just because, if it comes out as a Scion I will be buying used so I don't have to deal with douchey sales reps, or adding a sales figure to their numbers. I'll find some Scion poseur who's unhappy with the car's lack of power (low-end torque) and that his 'first on the block' shine has worn off. I will lose respect for Toyota as I feel it is like they are putting a gun to my head (or more correctly dangling a really shiny rwd sports car of a carrot) to bend to their version of marketing/branding.

I may also think about dropping that money between mods to my daily Legacy and the Supra, if the only 'choice' I get is a Scion.

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Why? It's like you were asking to pick between a POS under a Toyota badge and an epic sports car under the Scion brand. It's completely unrealistic.

That's precisely why I asked it. It makes people think more, too, and lets you see interesting opinions on the situation.

And it's not that much impossible. If the car is launching really successfully outside America first (as a Toyota naturally), and performs really well, then that's great. But it's still possible that America decides to put it under the Scion name.

Scion is my last resort for this car, barring ridiculous pricing difference between it and a Subaru version. And, just because, if it comes out as a Scion I will be buying used so I don't have to deal with douchey sales reps, or adding a sales figure to their numbers. I'll find some Scion poseur who's unhappy with the car's lack of power (low-end torque) and that his 'first on the block' shine has worn off. I will lose respect for Toyota as I feel it is like they are putting a gun to my head (or more correctly dangling a really shiny rwd sports car of a carrot) to bend to their version of marketing/branding.

I may also think about dropping that money between mods to my daily Legacy and the Supra, if the only 'choice' I get is a Scion.

Good response there, I can understand that. I think I'd wait longer myself too.

[xantonin]

It seems to me that the car was shown everywhere else in the world as a Toyota, and it got good responses.

Yet when the show comes to America, the plans change to show it under Scion.

Seems to me that Toyota is either fishing for responses on this, or that Toyota NA feels that the Toyota name in America should remain family friendly and that the sports car should be under Scion.

[Toyota4Life]

I will not buy this car as Scion. And other buyers won't either. Toyota is just completely clueless.

[Mr.Jay]

I just dont see how you can honour a toyota classic and badge it something else but its just a badge I still want the car (with concept 1 rear end please)

[Riden86]

I don't mind buy Daihatsu badge as long it's a inexpensive and high quality car.

[Gaen]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyJack

Maybe a petition begging Toyota to badge this thing properly is in order.

already been made a while ago.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/toyobaru/

[Deslock]

IDGAF which brand it's sold under.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Deslock

IDGAF which brand it's sold under.

+1,000,000

All I care for is that it performs to the expectations of what Toyota said it would and more. If KIA was to make a really good RWD sports car I would also consider it just like I consider the Gencoupe. 5 years ago I would talk crap about both of those companies but now I'm 26 years old and it's time to grow the fuck up. I stopped being a badge enthusiast a long time ago but I see a ton of them on this site and it's so funny because Scion is still Toyota no matter how you slice it.

[FT-86GOD]

Originally Posted by Gaen

already been made a while ago.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/toyobaru/

100 signatures LOL...

Bit late now anyway isnt it???

Toyota would have already made up there mind on what there doing market wise??

Edit: My bad, 52 signatures.....

[dilly-o]

i dont want to believe it, but if you look again at the geneva concept, it does look kinda scion-y doesnt it? with all the over-the-top carbon fiber, uselesss side vent, rear diffuser and rice taillights?

shoulda seen this coming.

at least now the subaru version might outsell the toyota/scion version

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by PHATsuby

Over on NASIOC, there was a person who claimed to be a friend of a Scion tech and that they were getting trained on the FT-86 at that time and that it would be coming as a Scion. Again this is now third hand information so take it as you will but it seemed like a credible statement being made and I assume techs would find out first.

Ben

No source.

Please don't initiate uproars. We have enough as it is. Lol