The Goal vs Porche 718 S turbo Boxer

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by r_rated

let me drive your BRZ on a track and guaranteed something will fail. Just look at tires... it is a fantastically fun street car and hit the center of that target. If you don't over heat it an warp the rotors then you're not driving it hard enough on a track.

What a dumb sh#t

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by r_rated

let me drive your BRZ on a track and guaranteed something will fail. Just look at tires... it is a fantastically fun street car and hit the center of that target. If you don't over heat it an warp the rotors then you're not driving it hard enough on a track.

Tires and brakes are supposed to be consumables and changeable. The stock tires are not bad for road usage within legal limits and have as additional benefit the fun factor. For track usage you need a second pair of wheels and track focused tires. Such tires cannot hold up many heat cycles and they are not suitable for street usage. The trunk was even designed to fit the extra wheels and tires. Is the BRZ a cheap car because it doesn't have carbon ceramic brakes that cost a fortune to change? Is the BRZ a cheap car because it doesn't have Michelin Cup 2 as street tires? I wouldn't say it is a cheap car. I would say that it is a more honest car.

[Scrappydoo]

Wots a Porche?

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Scrappydoo

Wots a Porche?

Yes, I was thinking the same

[r_rated]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Tires and brakes are supposed to be consumables and changeable. The stock tires are not bad for road usage within legal limits and have as additional benefit the fun factor. For track usage you need a second pair of wheels and track focused tires. Such tires cannot hold up many heat cycles and they are not suitable for street usage. The trunk was even designed to fit the extra wheels and tires. Is the BRZ a cheap car because it doesn't have carbon ceramic brakes that cost a fortune to change? Is the BRZ a cheap car because it doesn't have Michelin Cup 2 as street tires? I wouldn't say it is a cheap car. I would say that it is a more honest car.

If you put sticky tires on a brz then you're messing with the formula. Power, suspension and brakes all need to be then addressed with the added traction.

As I mentioned, the brz hit the mark on a fun street car but misses for track duty.

Btw... outside of limited production cars.... no porsches come with sport cup 2's either but do have the power, brakes and suspension to handle them.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by r_rated

If you put sticky tires on a brz then you're messing with the formula. Power, suspension and brakes all need to be then addressed with the added traction.



As I mentioned, the brz hit the mark on a fun street car but misses for track duty.



Btw... outside of limited production cars.... no porsches come with sport cup 2's either but do have the power, brakes and suspension to handle them.

Have you driven your BRZ with real tires yet? Like a Continental DW, Bridgestone S04, Hankook V12, or Michelin PSS in stock size? I'm not talking DOT legal R compounds here. The car is just faster. Still predictable, still loose, still fun, you can still roast the tires from a dig, It's amazing.


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[r_rated]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Have you driven your BRZ with real tires yet? Like a Continental DW, Bridgestone S04, Hankook V12, or Michelin PSS in stock size? I'm not talking DOT legal R compounds here. The car is just faster. Still predictable, still loose, still fun, you can still roast the tires from a dig, It's amazing.


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Yes - I was going to buy one and boost it via cosworth. Even in stock form it is one of my favorite cars. An analog experience to supplement my 911. For the same money as my planned mods I got a panoz

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by r_rated

I got a panoz

Bad ass

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by r_rated

Yes - I was going to buy one and boost it via cosworth. Even in stock form it is one of my favorite cars. An analog experience to supplement my 911. For the same money as my planned mods I got a panoz

A '98 car needs a lot of maintenance, unless it was staying all these years in a garage and had very very low mileage. Even in such case, you still need some maintenance. At least if you want to race with it and not to have it just for exposure. Additionally, chassis technology and rigidity has advanced a lot the last 19 years. It is not that simple that you are buying a car with a more powerful engine.

Maybe for you is too late, but there are others reading and they should consider all the parameters. The same holds for used Porsche's dating back in the late '90s

[NLS8520]

I think the goal is lofty perhaps... but lets not forget our cars are using the Porsche Cayman as their benchmark. I think with a 2017 PP car with an S/C, wider wheels and tires along with a full exhaust, proper suspension tuning could intend to complete with a 718.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Bfranklyn86

I think boosted BRZ vs 981/982 Cayman is the debate we should be having. The 718 seems to be in a different league to be honest.

Base 718 turbo 2.0 = 300 HP. Out of reach for a stock BRZ engine even if you add a turbo.

Base Cayman 2.9 litre flat six compares well with forced induction BRZ. The Subie is lighter and acceleration should be comparable. Porsche will ride much harder than the BRZ even with standard suspension. Porsche will out handle the Subie and make even more noise doing so, hard to believe but the Cayman/Boxster have very loud engines at full throttle and high rpm. Very loud.

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by Gforce

Cayman/Boxster have very loud engines at full throttle and high rpm. Very loud.

And that is a problem?

[r_rated]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

A '98 car needs a lot of maintenance, unless it was staying all these years in a garage and had very very low mileage. Even in such case, you still need some maintenance. At least if you want to race with it and not to have it just for exposure. Additionally, chassis technology and rigidity has advanced a lot the last 19 years. It is not that simple that you are buying a car with a more powerful engine.

Maybe for you is too late, but there are others reading and they should consider all the parameters. The same holds for used Porsche's dating back in the late '90s

I never compare the two but thanks... the panoz has racecar based suspension. The BRZ has streetcar suspension. A 90's racecare is still more capable on a track than a new streetcar.... The panoz is also lighter than a BRZ But last point... my car won't see track time. Occasionally mountains but mostly A to A which is why was in the market.

The comparison in this thread is to a Porsche and my point remains consistent in that Porsche engineers and produces a car that is track ready out of the box. Subaru/Toyota make one of the best street cars for having fun but at that price point may not be such a great value if tracking is your intention.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by TommyW

And that is a problem?

For a daily driver it is. Well, anytime for a road car. It was unnecessary to make these cars so loud. Makes them sound cheap compared to let us say the 911.