1st G-force test of my 2017 BRZ.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Gforce

That is correct. But a skilled driver will have no difficulty getting by in winter with the newest all season or all weather tires. What needs to be kept in mind here is how bad full on winter tires are on bare road, especially if it isn't really cold out. You need to try the latest the tire companies are building. Here's an amazing tire yet to arrive here:

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-crossclimate

Keep up with the technology, guys, please.

Braking performance of studless winter tires on bare pavement is very poor. Just for example.

Tires are a compromise no matter what. For many of us living in colder climates the new all season tires are just right.

You take me to a Michelin site to review a Michelin tire?

I'm a believer now!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

You take me to a Michelin site to review a Michelin tire?

I'm a believer now!

Hey! It is a UK site so who would possibly know more about winter tires than them?

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Gforce

But a skilled driver will have no difficulty getting by in winter with the newest all season or all weather

Eh, what do YOU consider a skilled driver?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Eh, what do YOU consider a skilled driver?

Pretty sure he has never met one.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Hey! It is a UK site so who would possibly know more about winter tires than them?

And Michelin is a French company. I'm sure you have a point there somewhere, don't just keep it under your hat, share.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

You take me to a Michelin site to review a Michelin tire?

I'm a believer now!

Not a review, accurate information about new tire technology not yet available in heathen countries where customers know very little about tires.

The reviews are available but only from Europe so far, google is your friend.

Try a google for a review of the Michelin Pilot A/S 3+ and prepare to be educated.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Eh, what do YOU consider a skilled driver?

Who do YOU consider to be a skilled driver? (Proper grammar helps convey your meaning, all caps is superfluous).

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Gforce

Not a review, accurate information about new tire technology not yet available in heathen countries where customers know very little about tires.

The reviews are available but only from Europe so far, google is your friend.

Try a google for a review of the Michelin Pilot A/S 3+ and prepare to be educated.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
And you have not even tried them! When I said how quiet they were you said that I was wrong and had no clue even though you were running a totally different tire.


Maybe you need to stop reading so much and actually try the things you say are so good or bad.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Maybe you need to stop reading so much and actually try the things you say are so good or bad.

Have you driven DWS on snow?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Gforce

Have you driven DWS on snow?

No, and I won't since they are not a snow/winter tires and to try to pretend they are is stupid. I wish to preserve my car, myself and others that share the road. There are enough morons that think their driving skills counter the weather driving around in the dead of winter with AS tires as it is.
I repeat. They are far better than they were in the past but they are still a poor choice for anyplace that actually gets winter. It isn't like the snow/winter tire tech as sat stagnant while the AS advanced. There are proper winter tires that function just as well on dry pavement as they do on snow as much as AS can work in the snow. Use the right tool to do the job.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No, and I won't since they are not a snow/winter tires and to try to pretend they are is stupid. I wish to preserve my car, myself and others that share the road. There are enough morons that think their driving skills counter the weather driving around in the dead of winter with AS tires as it is.
I repeat. They are far better than they were in the past but they are still a poor choice for anyplace that actually gets winter. It isn't like the snow/winter tire tech as sat stagnant while the AS advanced. There are proper winter tires that function just as well on dry pavement as they do on snow as much as AS can work in the snow. Use the right tool to do the job.

So you actually have no idea how good DWS are on snow. I thought that must be the case. You just do not know what you're talking about.

You probably don't understand snow tire choices either.

Driving skills are the most important aspect of winter driving which you might understand if you had enough experience. I'd stick to what you know if I were you, assuming you know anything that might be of use to others.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Gforce

So you actually have no idea how good DWS are on snow. I thought that must be the case. You just do not know what you're talking about.

You probably don't understand snow tire choices either.

Driving skills are the most important aspect of winter driving which you might understand if you had enough experience. I'd stick to what you know if I were you, assuming you know anything that might be of use to others.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Again with the "Enough experience".
You funny.

[new2subaru]

lol This is pointless. Out...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

lol This is pointless. Out...

Pretty much just entertainment for me at this point.