Twins future question

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

How could anyone hate a car that is so happy???

And sexy!

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by JD001

It's not happening.. as you say we're well into the product's lifecycle and I'm sure we would seen or heard something. Toyota will focus on the new Supra and develop something smaller with BMW. Subaru will retreat further and go back to their main focus, farmers and their wants..

You really don't think they will make the 86 until 2019-2020? They just gave the car an entire refresh, and it's still selling decently for what it is. I doubt that Toyota or Subaru will kill the car in a year.


If there is a MK2 coming why would Toyota/Subaru admit to anything when the refresh just came out? No one would want to buy it with a new model around the corner.

[JD001]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

You really don't think they will make the 86 until 2019-2020? They just gave the car an entire refresh, and it's still selling decently for what it is. I doubt that Toyota or Subaru will kill the car in a year.


If there is a MK2 coming why would Toyota/Subaru admit to anything when the refresh just came out? No one would want to buy it with a new model around the corner.

I just can't see it, by 2020 we'll be looking at hybrid or an alternate power source and the way cars are going it'll be FWD for anything below 250bhp, RWD and/or 4WD for things over 250bhp. As soon as we go over the 250bhp Supra replacement comes to mind not a Twin.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JD001

It's not happening.. as you say we're well into the product's lifecycle and I'm sure we would seen or heard something. Toyota will focus on the new Supra and develop something smaller with BMW. Subaru will retreat further and go back to their main focus, farmers and their wants..

I repeat. Just because they are working with BMW on ONE car does not mean for one second that they are going to do others with them. In fact I would be more inclined to say that if they did indeed go to a smaller version it would be on their own or teamed up with Mazda or Suzuki. BMW is not going to have any interest at all in a smaller car.


We are years away from hearing any real news on the next facelift/new gen/dropping the line. They will run with the 2017 face lift for at least 2 or 3 years in order to recover the costs.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JD001

I just can't see it, by 2020 we'll be looking at hybrid or an alternate power source and the way cars are going it'll be FWD for anything below 250bhp, RWD and/or 4WD for things over 250bhp. As soon as we go over the 250bhp Supra replacement comes to mind not a Twin.

Why would they base drive wheels on HP?
They will not be ready for alternate power by 2020 although there could certainly be a hybrid version by then.
The Supra is a whole different class of car and would never be a Twin replacement.

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Why would they base drive wheels on HP?
They will not be ready for alternate power by 2020 although there could certainly be a hybrid version by then.
The Supra is a whole different class of car and would never be a Twin replacement.

Sadly majority of the driving public don't give a flying fuck as to which wheels are driven. A lot of BMW series 1 drivers don't even know that their car is RWD hence BMW looking to switch to FWD.


I don't know how the Twin came about but it sure was a breath of fresh air for the car fanatic but for the rest of the buying public they don't care.


I did read somewhere the new Supra will share its underpinning with a smaller sports car but I don't think it'll be a Twin as we know and love.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by JD001

I just can't see it, by 2020 we'll be looking at hybrid or an alternate power source and the way cars are going it'll be FWD for anything below 250bhp, RWD and/or 4WD for things over 250bhp. As soon as we go over the 250bhp Supra replacement comes to mind not a Twin.

I personally don't think there will be an MK2, but I think the current 86 will see production for several more years.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JD001

Sadly majority of the driving public don't give a flying fuck as to which wheels are driven. A lot of BMW series 1 drivers don't even know that their car is RWD hence BMW looking to switch to FWD.


I don't know how the Twin came about but it sure was a breath of fresh air for the car fanatic but for the rest of the buying public they don't care.


I did read somewhere the new Supra will share its underpinning with a smaller sports car but I don't think it'll be a Twin as we know and love.

Still doesn't explain why they would match HP to what wheels drive the car.
Don't know where you read about the smaller car but it doesn't seem realistic for them to do. Besides Toyota already has a smaller concept out there that has no connection to BMW.


How the Twins came about is well documented by Toyota.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5274

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Still doesn't explain why they would match HP to what wheels drive the car.
Don't know where you read about the smaller car but it doesn't seem realistic for them to do. Besides Toyota already has a smaller concept out there that has no connection to BMW.


How the Twins came about is well documented by Toyota.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5274

HP theory is all mine based on power corrupts.. FWD with over 250bhp, torque steer requiring special solutions/tyres and electronic aids to manage drive in the lower gears.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JD001

HP theory is all mine based on power corrupts.. FWD with over 250bhp, torque steer requiring special solutions/tyres and electronic aids to manage drive in the lower gears.

Nah. Too simple. Cars went to FWD because they are cheaper to make, easier to drive and as you said before most people just don't care not because of HP levels. torque steer can be overcome pretty easy when they really want to. There are piles of FWD cars out there with well over 250.

[Braces]

Originally Posted by JD001

Sadly majority of the driving public don't give a flying fuck as to which wheels are driven. A lot of BMW series 1 drivers don't even know that their car is RWD hence BMW looking to switch to FWD.


I don't know how the Twin came about but it sure was a breath of fresh air for the car fanatic but for the rest of the buying public they don't care.


I did read somewhere the new Supra will share its underpinning with a smaller sports car but I don't think it'll be a Twin as we know and love.

I'll give you that the general public has no idea of FWD, RWD or AWD. As for horsepower related to how many wheels are driven .... your statement is dumb.

BMW may use FWD on it's lesser cars in the future, but not the majority of their cars. A fact of life is that most people that know anything about cars want RWD or AWD for their large sedans or sports cars.

As for the Supra. It will have nothing in common with the 86 chassis. Read up on the Toyota/BMW joint collaboration on chassis and most likely the power plant.

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Braces

I'll give you that the general public has no idea of FWD, RWD or AWD. As for horsepower related to how many wheels are driven .... your statement is dumb.

BMW may use FWD on it's lesser cars in the future, but not the majority of their cars. A fact of life is that most people that know anything about cars want RWD or AWD for their large sedans or sports cars.

As for the Supra. It will have nothing in common with the 86 chassis. Read up on the Toyota/BMW joint collaboration on chassis and most likely the power plant.

Supra is a new chassis that Toyota will use for another but smaller sports car.


As for horsepower split, asking one set of wheels to drive and turn with 250+bhp I think is too much without messing with the suspension and introduction of electronic aids. I rather run it to the back and leave the front wheels to steer.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by JD001

Supra is a new chassis that Toyota will use for another but smaller sports car.

Source? Never read anything saying this.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JD001

Supra is a new chassis that Toyota will use for another but smaller sports car.


As for horsepower split, asking one set of wheels to drive and turn with 250+bhp I think is too much without messing with the suspension and introduction of electronic aids. I rather run it to the back and leave the front wheels to steer.

Like they have used the 86 chassis for several cars? There is not one single piece of evidence that supports they have plans to use the Supra chassis for more than one model. Not at all unheard of with halo cars.


Doesn't matter if you would rather run it in back there are loads that do not. FWD can handle every bit of HP that RWD can if they engineer things right. Yes they have to deal with torque steer but that is no different than RWD having to deal with the rear end kicking out at high HP launch. Will they stop making high level Mustangs and turn them all into AWD just because people keep losing them on launch and bouncing off curbs (and crowds)?




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