Twins future question

[accel]

Originally Posted by bkharmony

This:

http://jalopnik.com/toyota-hints-at-...eup-1793108540

New Supra at the top end to compete with Corvette/Cayman, 86GT in the middle (left pretty much alone, e.g. no turbo), and new MR2 at the bottom of the lineup, around $20K.

Supra as BMW&Toyota child? What will it be? Reliable BMW or unteliable Toyota?

If BMW throws their engine engineering in, than I would stay clear from that car.

[accel]

Originally Posted by truenosan

Get a Porsche. Problem solved

Another german car? Not with my luck

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by accel

Supra as BMW&Toyota child? What will it be? Reliable BMW or unteliable Toyota?

If BMW throws their engine engineering in, than I would stay clear from that car.

Again. What?

[accel]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

What?

I might be wrong, but... I remember researching twins back in time, maybe a couple of years in production. I think one of them was offeresld with LSD option, and another one without. Am I wrong?

[accel]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Again. What?

What?

[sofrsnsokleen]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You mean the actual cost of the parts or the costs in recertifying the vehicle in any country that it will be sold, the changes in tariffs and import fees it would cost, the increased costs in production and assembly to hold yet anther engine in stock, the engineering costs required to ensure that the rest of the car can take it or any of the other hundred or so costs that people don't know about?

Ehhhhhhh.... I'd say just a ball park figure of mark up over current msrp would suffice, i.e 34k compared to a regular stock trim. Most people don't really care about the tariffs and cost of nut over bolts etc.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by accel

I might be wrong, but... I remember researching twins back in time, maybe a couple of years in production. I think one of them was offeresld with LSD option, and another one without. Am I wrong?

I think it was possible to get a base 86 without the LSD in some countries, but all 86s made in North America came with a LSD IIRC.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by accel

I think FRS was aways with LSD option available, but scion wasnt.

Why would anybody buy a car like twins without LSD?

I think you need to re-read what you just wrote.

The FR-S was only available as a Scion.
The Scion FR-S was only available with a Torsen LSD.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

What?

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Again. What?

Originally Posted by accel

What?

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[Braces]

Originally Posted by accel

Supra as BMW&Toyota child? What will it be? Reliable BMW or unteliable Toyota?

If BMW throws their engine engineering in, than I would stay clear from that car.

What? J/K.

You have a semblance of a point. Power plant in the Supra hasn't been leaked yet. Hopefully it will be 100% Toyota. But I wouldn't bet on it.

[darthpnoy1984]

Originally Posted by sofrsnsokleen

Just saw how elaborated my last post got in terms of sales LOL :o

Anyways, riddle me this? Does anyone know what the estimated cost increase would be to put the current wrx turbo 2.0 in the brz/frs would possible be theoretically?
There's obviously some mathletes that could take a stab at it.

Why do you all insist on having that stupid turbo? lmafo once you reach over 100K they require quite a lot of attention down the road.


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[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Braces

What? J/K.

You have a semblance of a point. Power plant in the Supra hasn't been leaked yet. Hopefully it will be 100% Toyota. But I wouldn't bet on it.

I'll bet it has a B58 in it to please Supra fanbois and they'll bitch and moan it's not a Toyota engine despite the fact that Toyota hasn't sold an I6 in like a decade.

Kinda like how all the Toyota fanboi's for this car bitch about the Subaru flat 4 despite the fact that it's been a long time since Toyota had a good I4.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Our views are on the opposite ends of the spectrum!

We shall see.

I don't know, I think there's a few companies actively not pursuing the small displacement DI turbo trend: Mazda, BMW, Toyota off the top of my head. They're not stupid, in fact Mazda was one of the pioneers of the technology, but they've turned away from it.

If you're deeply cynical, the fact that Fiat, Ford, and now Chevy are actively pushing that technology might be a red flag.

[darthpnoy1984]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I'll bet it has a B58 in it to please Supra fanbois and they'll bitch and moan it's not a Toyota engine despite the fact that Toyota hasn't sold an I6 in like a decade.

Kinda like how all the Toyota fanboi's for this car bitch about the Subaru flat 4 despite the fact that it's been a long time since Toyota had a good I4.

Maybe its Toyota chance to get there feet wet on the inline 6 motor again hell even Mercedes Benz is seriously thinking about it.


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[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984

Maybe its Toyota chance to get there feet wet on the inline 6 motor again hell even Mercedes Benz is seriously thinking about it.

Good luck, don't get me wrong, I get it, I'm a hopeless romantic too (I like Wankels) but prepare for a BMW engine in Toyota's next "sportscar"