New '86 owner

[weederr33]

While I'm a fan of the Cosworth supercharger, it doesn't technically have a CARB certification, so it wouldn't be street legal in your fascist state of California. Although as long as you don't touch the catalytic converter, I don't see why it wouldn't pass a sniffer test.

However, if you aren't worry about the CARB sticker and such, I think the Cossie kit is amazing. Check out the owner's thread here!

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by weederr33

While I'm a fan of the Cosworth supercharger, it doesn't technically have a CARB certification, so it wouldn't be street legal in your fascist state of California.

Emissions are federally regulated, the Cosworth kit isn't legal in any state. Just because nobody enforces it doesn't make it legal.

Fascist state? Don't you have yearly vehicle safety inspections? I'll live with some regulation on stuff that literally poisons the air.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Emissions are federally regulated, the Cosworth kit isn't legal in any state. Just because nobody enforces it doesn't make it legal.

Fascist state? Don't you have yearly vehicle safety inspections? I'll live with some regulation on stuff that literally poisons the air.

Woah simmer down. It's a joke on California having some of the strictest emissions laws... sheesh.

[martin05rc]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

In order to get the most out of a supercharger you will need to open up the exhaust. No sense blowing air in that can't get back out again. It can be done without making it loud.

Of course, this is true in an absolute sense. However, most exhaust systems are not operated at their maximal flow rate, which means there's room for a supercharger to allow you to burn more fuel per stroke and, therefore, produce more power.

Since it is an easy matter to do this in stages I think I'll leave the exhaust alone for now and just change the volumetric efficiency of the engine.

I intend to have the car tested on the dyno before making any changes and after every modification. In engineering we like to say that you can't improve what you don't measure.

[martin05rc]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well there is this: <snip>
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...y/eforce.shtml

Well, that's certainly interesting. Need to read the fine print later. If they require some sort of professionally certified installation this could add thousands to the mod.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Emissions are federally regulated, the Cosworth kit isn't legal in any state. Just because nobody enforces it doesn't make it legal.

Fascist state? Don't you have yearly vehicle safety inspections? I'll live with some regulation on stuff that literally poisons the air.

Oh my, Strat61caster, ....... lighten up ....... remember, @weederr33 is from Texas ......


humfrz

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Woah simmer down. It's a joke on California having some of the strictest emissions laws... sheesh.

Actually in Texas it's illegal to tamper with the emissions in any way, that would include even a mild tune on an otherwise stock engine. If you sell the vehicle to someone else you could face a $25k fine.

https://www.tceq.texas.gov/airqualit...tampering.html

Adjusting any element of a car or truck's emission control design so that it no longer meets the manufacturer's specifications.
[...]
Evidence of federally approved testing must be available upon request.

And Texas requires federal certification of modifications, doesn't sound like even a CARB approved kit is street legal in your non-fascist state as I can't find a list of federally approved emissions modifications. Sounds like Texas is technically more stringent...

I don't take lightly to people laughing at emissions laws, millions of people were and are affected by a poor understanding of vehicle emissions. My girlfriend grew up in Orange county, she suffered from terrifying asthma attacks most of her life, she's lived away from there for nearly 10 years now and hasn't had an asthma attack in over 5 years now. It hits close to home for me.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Actually in Texas it's illegal to tamper with the emissions in any way, that would include even a mild tune on an otherwise stock engine. If you sell the vehicle to someone else you could face a $25k fine.

https://www.tceq.texas.gov/airqualit...tampering.html



And Texas requires federal certification of modifications, doesn't sound like even a CARB approved kit is street legal in your non-fascist state as I can't find a list of federally approved emissions modifications. Sounds like Texas is technically more stringent...

I don't take lightly to people laughing at emissions laws, millions of people were and are affected by a poor understanding of vehicle emissions. My girlfriend grew up in Orange county, she suffered from terrifying asthma attacks most of her life, she's lived away from there for nearly 10 years now and hasn't had an asthma attack in over 5 years now. It hits close to home for me.

That's a damn shame

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by martin05rc

Well, that's certainly interesting. Need to read the fine print later. If they require some sort of professionally certified installation this could add thousands to the mod.

imo it's only a minor selling point in Edelbrock's favor, you also only get 3 year/36k mile warranty from the day the car gets put into service, so if you install it next year you'll only have 2 years left on warranty. If you hit 30k miles before installing it, you only have 6k miles left on the warranty.

It's a nice 'we stand behind our product' but for most people the warranty is unlikely to be of significant value, and as you say the approved installer adds a few hundred bucks onto the install (shouldn't be more than an 8 hour job, at $100/hour 'thousands' is an overestimate).

[imnotsureaboutbrz]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Emissions are federally regulated, the Cosworth kit isn't legal in any state. Just because nobody enforces it doesn't make it legal.

Fascist state? Don't you have yearly vehicle safety inspections? I'll live with some regulation on stuff that literally poisons the air.

Yes and no... There are Federal Agencies that regulate and monitor emissions but not all areas are federally required to regulate or check emissions, only those areas whose air emissions are out of compliance with the NAAQS and are in non-attainment and states like California.

Two examples:
Where I live now in Alaska, we do not have air quality issues so we are not required to have emissions testing or vehicle 'safety' inspections on our vehicles...

Where I used to live in Atlanta was in non-attainment with the NAAQS so all the counties that touched the city of Atlanta and the Counties that touched those where required to have annual Emissions checks. But if you lived outside of those counties you where not.

[martin05rc]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

How long have you lived in California?

Too long. People's Republic of California. Yup.

The Cosworth kit is not street legal in the United States as it's not emissions certified.

Thanks. Something else to understand for sure.

imo drive it on track stock plus a brake pad+fluid upgrade

I've had a lot of track time over the years, including spending one glorious day at Nurburgring years ago.

With 205 HP the GT86 is a fun little car, no question about it. One of the biggest advantages of a turbo/supercharger setup is to deal with that dip at low RPM's and give it a little more authority. I think this car at about 280 HP would be, as I like to put it, the right amount of wrong. For me at least, I don't really need to get past 280 to 300 HP. Not for a daily driver.

Back in the early 90's I had the "pleasure" of being "granted" three speeding tickets in two weeks while driving my twin turbo RX-7 R3. Getting on the freeway at 100 MPH after a long day at work dealing with an asshole boss were exactly the wrong conditions while owning such a car.

Over the years my thinking changed a lot. Having enough power to have fun is great. Having so much power-to-weight ratio that you can find yourself in front of a judge and three CHP officers in court isn't so great.

Yeah, all three cops showed-up. The courtroom exploded in laughter as the judge went through the tickets and asked if the officer for each one was present. Noting how unlucky I was he then asked: "Son, how do you plead?". All I could say was "Guilty as hell you honor!".

He dismissed one ticket. I had to pay for the second and go to school for the third. I have not had one speeding ticket since.

[imnotsureaboutbrz]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Actually in Texas it's illegal to tamper with the emissions in any way, that would include even a mild tune on an otherwise stock engine. If you sell the vehicle to someone else you could face a $25k fine.

https://www.tceq.texas.gov/airqualit...tampering.html



And Texas requires federal certification of modifications, doesn't sound like even a CARB approved kit is street legal in your non-fascist state as I can't find a list of federally approved emissions modifications. Sounds like Texas is technically more stringent...

I don't take lightly to people laughing at emissions laws, millions of people were and are affected by a poor understanding of vehicle emissions. My girlfriend grew up in Orange county, she suffered from terrifying asthma attacks most of her life, she's lived away from there for nearly 10 years now and hasn't had an asthma attack in over 5 years now. It hits close to home for me.

You can blame the Dallas and Houston for that stuff...

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by imnotsureaboutbrz

Two examples:
Where I live now in Alaska, we do not have air quality issues so we are not required to have emissions testing or vehicle 'safety' inspections on our vehicles...

If the speed limit on a road is 35 mph and everyone does 50 mph and nobody enforces it is everyone breaking the law?

Just because there is no enforcement does not mean the federal law does not apply. There are hundreds if not thousands of court cases per year about these kinds of things. All it takes is pissing off the wrong person and even in the lovely state of Alaska you could get slammed for emissions violations.

Al Capone went down on tax evasion, not crime related charges. All it takes is pissing off the wrong person to get the book thrown at you.

Edit: Al Capone reference not very relevant, too much coffee this morning I think. My point is, federal laws apply in all states, just because nobody catches you doesn't mean you're legal.

Originally Posted by martin05rc

TOne of the biggest advantages of a turbo/supercharger setup is to deal with that dip at low RPM's and give it a little more authority.

The car has 6 gears, there's no reason to be under 4,500 rpm unless you choose to be. The dip is moot imo, no combustion engined car has an infinite powerband, that's what electric cars are for.

[imnotsureaboutbrz]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

If the speed limit on a road is 35 mph and everyone does 50 mph and nobody enforces it is everyone breaking the law?

Just because there is no enforcement does not mean the federal law does not apply. There are hundreds if not thousands of court cases per year about these kinds of things. All it takes is pissing off the wrong person and even in the lovely state of Alaska you could get slammed for emissions violations.

Al Capone went down on tax evasion, not crime related charges. All it takes is pissing off the wrong person to get the book thrown at you.

I'm not arguing with you here but as a Air Quality Meteorologist who works at a Federal Regulatory agency it pretty near impossible (for an individual) to get slapped with a CAA violation when there is no State agency regulating emissions.