NorCal (Bay Area) OFF-TOPIC Chat Thread

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Started the detailing process on the Yaris (and first time I'm washing). Swirl marks for daaaaaaaays! I'm almost done clay barring the entire car, and will work on paint correction tomorrow since I don't have work lights. My arms are going to be dead tomorrow (don't have a DA)!

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

I don't think I've ever stalled 2nd before, even from a stop. But why do you shift into 2nd so soon?

Well, sometimes I think I shift from 1st to 2nd too soon in that scenario and sometimes I stay in second until just a few miles an hour and then start giving it gas. In the latter case maybe I just wait too long. I was thinking it might be due to the 2017 ratios being different, since it seems to stall sooner than older years (I think someone else mentioned that on the forums). Could be wrong though.

Originally Posted by Clipdat

Well what you've just described here is basically a "no win situation" in terms of stick shift driving. There's no "correct action" that you can take as a response to this happening.

3.) Clutch in, shift into neutral, and apply the brake to come to a complete stop. Shift into first as normal and start out briskly since you just held up the person behind you a bit and didn't "react" to the traffic light as quickly as you should have, in their mind.

This third option is what I typically do because in a way it's the easiest for me if I'm being lazy and don't feel like trying to rev match first, or ride out second without lagging/riding the clutch. I really don't care if the person behind me is delayed and has to wait an extra amount of time to get going off the light. Haven't been honked at yet!

Yeah, usually I do the third option since it's easiest just to stop completely and then go from first. I think my brain might still be in automatic transmission mode or something, where if the light turns green soon enough then I think "oh I can just get going from an almost stop" but don't give it enough gas to keep the engine going with the transmission in 2nd gear.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by spike021

Well, sometimes I think I shift from 1st to 2nd too soon in that scenario and sometimes I stay in second until just a few miles an hour and then start giving it gas. In the latter case maybe I just wait too long. I was thinking it might be due to the 2017 ratios being different, since it seems to stall sooner than older years (I think someone else mentioned that on the forums). Could be wrong though.



Yeah, usually I do the third option since it's easiest just to stop completely and then go from first. I think my brain might still be in automatic transmission mode or something, where if the light turns green soon enough then I think "oh I can just get going from an almost stop" but don't give it enough gas to keep the engine going with the transmission in 2nd gear.

Hmm, would have thought that with the shorter final drive, it wouldn't stall as much.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Hmm, would have thought that with the shorter final drive, it wouldn't stall as much.

It's hard to say since I can't really compare it to any other car and just learning stick with it.. But there were times, like in a flat area, in the beginning when it would start stalling even going 3-5 mph. At least shuddering quite a bit. Could just be my footwork too. (shrug)

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by spike021

It's hard to say since I can't really compare it to any other car and just learning stick with it.. But there were times, like in a flat area, in the beginning when it would start stalling even going 3-5 mph. At least shuddering quite a bit. Could just be my footwork too. (shrug)

Oh, the car will shudder at that low of a speed in 2nd. haha

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Oh, the car will shudder at that low of a speed in 2nd. haha

Lol I mean shuddering in 1st!

[spike021]

Delay on Caltrain. Wish I could just drive into work :|

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by spike021

Lol I mean shuddering in 1st!

oh, hmmm, not giving enough gas???

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

oh, hmmm, not giving enough gas???

Yeah, think so haha. I can get moving usually without gas from a stop in 1st, but if the car slows down to about 8 mph or less at any point it starts shuddering and the intensity grows as it decreases further. By then rpms are close to 500-800 or so too.

[Clipdat]

I think you should have someone who's been driving a manual twin for a while drive your car, so you can observe how they drive it and what shift points they use, when they clutch in, etc. Shrug.

Originally Posted by spike021

Yeah, think so haha. I can get moving usually without gas from a stop in 1st, but if the car slows down to about 8 mph or less at any point it starts shuddering and the intensity grows as it decreases further.

[strat61caster]

Practice

Originally Posted by spike021

It's hard to say since I can't really compare it to any other car and just learning stick with it.. But there were times, like in a flat area, in the beginning when it would start stalling even going 3-5 mph. At least shuddering quite a bit. Could just be my footwork too. (shrug)

Yes it feels like shit under 5mph even in 1st gear, you have to give it a squeeze of gas to keep it smooth and not let the drivetrain lash smack you around.

Originally Posted by spike021

Yeah, think so haha. I can get moving usually without gas from a stop in 1st, but if the car slows down to about 8 mph or less at any point it starts shuddering and the intensity grows as it decreases further. By then rpms are close to 500-800 or so too.

I clutch in at 1k rpm unless I know I'll keep idling along and conditions are conducive. Slip your clutch more, it's there for a reason and it's built to take abuse. Worst case you end up replacing it sub-100k miles presuming you don't do something stupid.

As long as you can't smell it, you're not doing anything excessive.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Practice

Yes it feels like shit under 5mph even in 1st gear, you have to give it a squeeze of gas to keep it smooth and not let the drivetrain lash smack you around.

I clutch in at 1k rpm unless I know I'll keep idling along and conditions are conducive. Slip your clutch more, it's there for a reason and it's built to take abuse. Worst case you end up replacing it sub-100k miles presuming you don't do something stupid.

As long as you can't smell it, you're not doing anything excessive.

Yeah, that's usually what I do coming to a stop or when moving slowly. Make sure I get the car moving with a high enough RPM, usually over 1000, and then if it gets slower and I can't use a lot of gas (like in a driveway) I slip the clutch a bit, and it works fine/smoothly.

This whole thing mostly doesn't happen anymore. It's most common right now like my post from last night, when I'm coming to a stop in 2nd and then need to start getting it going before a complete stop. But that's likely just from me not giving it enough gas.

Originally Posted by Clipdat

I think you should have someone who's been driving a manual twin for a while drive your car, so you can observe how they drive it and what shift points they use, when they clutch in, etc. Shrug.

That'd definitely be helpful. I actually don't have that particular issue so much now. Just mentioning that when in the beginning when I was going slow in that situation that would happen and I didn't really understand why. Now that's not so much an issue since I understand slipping the clutch and stuff.

[finch1750]

New brewery in Stockton opened up If your in town che k out Channel Brewing. Scotch ale is bomb.

[funwheeldrive]

With the summer coming I'm trying to find the perfect place to park at work. What is better...


Parking under a shady tree with the risk of possible sap/branches falling on the car
or
Leaving the car sitting in the beaming sun all day long?




My car is red so I worry about paint fading.