interior room concerns

[Calais]

Originally Posted by Dark

Should the guys under 6ft start a midget team?



I kid.

i was kinda hoping to be that token short guy in every team.

im 5'10" so i know i'll fit in the ft just fine

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Calais

i was kinda hoping to be that token short guy in every team.

im 5'10" so i know i'll fit in the ft just fine

I'll be expecting you to be like him lol jk

http://www.spike.com/articles/rfqubz...slam-dunk-show

[RRnold]

50" vert!!

I bet he's probably wearing APL shoes that were banned in the NBA

http://www.athleticpropulsionlabs.com/

Originally Posted by NESW20

toyota got the interior room in the SW20 MR2 just right. it doesn't matter how tall you are, just about. i have friends who are 6'4"+ and they're fine in my MR2.

as long as someone my size (5'9" 185lbs) can fit reasonably well in the back seat for 20-30 minutes, i'll have no problem with the rear seat room. i KNOW i won't have a problem fitting in the driver's seat. average height FTW.

Most of the newer compact cars look small on the outside but have tons of leg and head room inside. I hope they mount the seat low to the floor like the current IS.

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I dont see how a car that hasn't hit production can be scaled at 2/3 the performance of the 370z... but if there was a turbo version that was say 250hpish and given the weight stays around 2700 then the ft86 will have a pretty damn close hp/weight which should let it surprises a few cars.

either way there no point to make assumptions of how the car will be like until there is something to base them off of like shoots of the inside cabin

I agree that it won't necessarily have 2/3 the performance, but I am willing to bet that the first model released won't have a turbo. It will come some point later on after they have caught up to demand for the lower hp model. In my opinion I just don't see them being able to put a turbo on this thing and still hit their price point unless they are giving us an interior not befitting of a car in this price range.

I do believe this car will put out 300 hp at some point with a turbocharged engine it will share with it's subaru sister & the next gen WRX, but that car will come in at $30k not 20. I've read at other sites that people are thinking this car will get the WRX STi motor in it....I just have to laugh at those type of expectations. The subie is a $37k car and subaru makes money on it, but it's not like there is $17k of mark-up on the thing where they can just drop that kind of performance into a car like the Ft86.

As for the weight, I hope to god that they can hit that 2700lb number, but I'm not holding my breath. 2700lb would be about the same weight as a 2005 celica which had a garbage interior and was short on the luxuries people expect in a modern car. Sound deadening materials, side airbags, soft touch dash, aluminum trim, steering wheel mounted controls, sun roofs, etc all add up quickly, especially when you start removing pieces from the concept that are made of carbon fiber and replace them with production materials. For example, a hyundai genesis comes in at 3300 pounds and it isn't exactly over flowing with outlandish or unnecessary features.

Originally Posted by Dixie Normous

If your looking for space and sporty you should be looking at wrxs and lancers. Not here

I don't think it is unrealistic to expect a sports car to have room for two 8 year old kids in back. Nearly all of the "affordable" sports cars that have lasted the course of time in this country have had a usable back seat (except the Corvette). The mustang, thunderbird, firebird, camaro, celica, surpra, tC, eclipse, 3000gt, 240sx, G37, M3/ 3 series coupe, prelude, integra/rsx, civic si all had back seats. The target audience for a sports car in this price range is a male in his early/mid twenties to early thirties, of which a majority have or will have at least 1 child, and lack the income to have an impractical sports car as their only vehicle. The car has to have a serviceable back seat to have any chance for success otherwise it simply won't attract enough buyers.

Don't get me wrong, I love the looks of the car and if it has reasonable performance I'd love to get one as it is the first affordable car I have seen in years that I really love (since a 335i coupe is slightly out of my budget). I loved the Supra I had in high school and college and regret that I had to get rid of it. I would love to replace it with an ft86, but that can't happen if the car isn't reasonably practical.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by RRnold

50" vert!!

I bet he's probably wearing APL shoes that were banned in the NBA

http://www.athleticpropulsionlabs.com/

LOL I didn't know bout the shoes til I actually google it. That's pretty funny they banned it

[Kirby]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

As for the weight, I hope to god that they can hit that 2700lb number, but I'm not holding my breath. 2700lb would be about the same weight as a 2005 celica which had a garbage interior and was short on the luxuries people expect in a modern car. Sound deadening materials, side airbags, soft touch dash, aluminum trim, steering wheel mounted controls, sun roofs, etc all add up quickly, especially when you start removing pieces from the concept that are made of carbon fiber and replace them with production materials. For example, a hyundai genesis comes in at 3300 pounds and it isn't exactly over flowing with outlandish or unnecessary features.

The Celica only weighed 2500lb and has a decent interior.It also had side airbags and sun roof as for the rest of the things you included it really doesn't add that much weight except for the sound deadening materials which Celica probably doesn't have at all haha.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

a 2005 celica which had a garbage interior and was short on the luxuries people expect in a modern car. Sound deadening materials, side airbags, soft touch dash, aluminum trim, steering wheel mounted controls, sun roofs, etc .

Different taste for different people I guess.

I don't want any of those "luxuries" anywhere near my back-to-basics lightweight sportscar.

Save the money on that crap and give it to Yamaha so they can work their magic on this subie flat four and make it rev to 9k with 250hp NA.

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

give it to Yamaha so they can work their magic on this subie flat floor and make it rev to 9k with 250hp NA.

QFT.

i do want steering wheel mounted audio controls, but i'd prefer the cruise control controls to be the OG style, the stubby lever off the lower right of the wheel. just like on my truck.

[Kirby]

Originally Posted by NESW20

QFT.

i do want steering wheel mounted audio controls, but i'd prefer the cruise control controls to be the OG style, the stubby lever off the lower right of the wheel. just like on my truck.

Hell yea to that type of cruise control. Grew up with that shiz

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Kirby

Hell yea to that type of cruise control. Grew up with that shiz

Never grew up w it & never will. I had it on my current car, but when I overhaul my engine, took it off.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

As for the weight, I hope to god that they can hit that 2700lb number, but I'm not holding my breath. 2700lb would be about the same weight as a 2005 celica which had a garbage interior and was short on the luxuries people expect in a modern car. Sound deadening materials, side airbags, soft touch dash, aluminum trim, steering wheel mounted controls, sun roofs, etc all add up quickly, especially when you start removing pieces from the concept that are made of carbon fiber and replace them with production materials. For example, a hyundai genesis comes in at 3300 pounds and it isn't exactly over flowing with outlandish or unnecessary features.



I don't think it is unrealistic to expect a sports car to have room for two 8 year old kids in back. Nearly all of the "affordable" sports cars that have lasted the course of time in this country have had a usable back seat (except the Corvette). The mustang, thunderbird, firebird, camaro, celica, surpra, tC, eclipse, 3000gt, 240sx, G37, M3/ 3 series coupe, prelude, integra/rsx, civic si all had back seats. The target audience for a sports car in this price range is a male in his early/mid twenties to early thirties, of which a majority have or will have at least 1 child, and lack the income to have an impractical sports car as their only vehicle. The car has to have a serviceable back seat to have any chance for success otherwise it simply won't attract enough buyers.

The Genesis is quite a bit more sizable compared to the FT86 so given that the Genesis come sin at 3300 I can see the FT86 coming in around 2800ish


As for the cars you mention I can't see the ft86 having a more useless rear seats than the cars you mentions consider the FT86 Concept I had decent rear seats and the new concept actually increased in length so I cant see the rear seats having less room than the original concept.

But once again all speculation we won't find out until the actually show us photos

[XpLiCiT_CaShh]

Starting from 2nd without touching the clutch is simple with good throttle control.

Practice makes perfect Dalli.

6ft smack bang in the middle! woo!

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

Different taste for different people I guess.

I don't want any of those "luxuries" anywhere near my back-to-basics lightweight sportscar.

Save the money on that crap and give it to Yamaha so they can work their magic on this subie flat four and make it rev to 9k with 250hp NA.

I could also do without some of those features as well. Hell, I've been looking for months for a clean E30 325is and if the FT86 isn't what I'm hoping for then I'll probably buy a used Elise and and a junker to use as a DD.

Unfortunately though, I'm a realist and I know that the average car buyer won't shell out $25k for a car that has less features than a $17k Hyundai no matter how well it handles. 90% of drivers in the US can't drive a stick and half of them don't know whether the car they already own is front or rear wheel drive. While people like you and I may be the most passionate automobile fans out there, we don't represent a large enough group of people to make Toyota listen to us.

In the end we are all rooting for the same thing, I was merely commenting that what I've been reading isn't reassuring me that we are going to get it.

[Snaps]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

Save the money on that crap and give it to Yamaha so they can work their magic on this subie flat four and make it rev to 9k with 250hp NA.

9K!?!?..... They managed to get to that (and higher, safely and reliably) with a V10! They can at LEAST get it to 10K!