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ryanmatic · 03-20-2017, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

I went from a 13 FR-S to a 17 86. It's a nicer car. It handles better, rides a bit better, its quieter. It doesn't give up anything to the "old" version.

Completely agree. The '17 is notably smoother in most respects (but I wouldn't call it "soft"). It reminds me of going from AP1 to AP2 in S2000 terms.

Braces · 03-20-2017, 05:32 PM

Having come from the original 13 FR-S and remembering just how that car loved to oversteer (which I liked btw). I'm pleasantly surprised that the FR-S was not involved in some mass recall due to the kids sliding and drifting all over the place. Like I did .... and I'm not a kid. Hehehe.

shiumai · 03-20-2017, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

I went from a 13 FR-S to a 17 86. It's a nicer car. It handles better, rides a bit better, its quieter. It doesn't give up anything to the "old" version.

I was being sarcastic (referring to the article). I wouldn't expect the 2017 to be anything less than an improvement.

Dake · 03-20-2017, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or going to pick up groceries, driving to work, dealing with snow or rain, or just about anything else that the cars actually get used for about 99.8672% of the time.

I'd call that operator error. I've never had difficulty keeping it pointed the right direction in all of those examples.

PetrolioBenzina · 03-20-2017, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by shiumai

I was being sarcastic (referring to the article). I wouldn't expect the 2017 to be anything less than an improvement.

Missed the sarcasm, sorry.

shiumai · 03-20-2017, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

Missed the sarcasm, sorry.

Need a sarcasm emoticon, lol.

krayzie · 03-20-2017, 11:38 PM

7 years already OP have you even made a decision yet? You can probably write the twins encyclopedia by now.

ToySub1946 · 03-20-2017, 11:59 PM

Problem is, they've moved the steering wheel to the opposite side of car...upsets the balance.

PetrolioBenzina · 03-21-2017, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ToySub1946

Problem is, they've moved the steering wheel to the opposite side of car...upsets the balance.

Move dead hooker to opposite side of trunk. Harmony restored.

Ultramaroon · 03-21-2017, 12:04 AM

DGAF. Nothing but spring rate and valving changes. Want your 13 to feel like a 17? Buy a set of 17 springs/dampers from some kids who can't wait to ruin their new cars.

humfrz · 03-21-2017, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

DGAF. Nothing but spring rate and valving changes. Want your 13 to feel like a 17? Buy a set of 17 springs/dampers from some kids who can't wait to ruin their new cars.

humfrz

PetrolioBenzina · 03-21-2017, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

DGAF. Nothing but spring rate and valving changes. Want your 13 to feel like a 17? Buy a set of 17 springs/dampers from some kids who can't wait to ruin their new cars.

Or the other way 'round. Voila! Instant 13er handling in your fancy new 17. My ass-celerometer tells me the stock 86 can corner harder than a stock 13 FR-S.

"Drifting is for imbeciles."
Jame May

arrow34 · 03-21-2017, 09:03 AM

I love the way my stock 15 frs handles and it can get a bit tail happy in the rain with the crappy winter tires I have. But just cant push it as much as I would like or... should in crappy weather. I am curious to test drive a 17 86. Just to see the difference, I wouldn't trade my 15 frs though. I wish it had the simple volume controls on the steering wheel though.

why? · 03-21-2017, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mrderp

Can you imagine if the author got his hands on the original FR-S suspension setup.

give him a manual and he'd probably sit and stare and not be able to drive it. The tester here was an auto for some reason.

I think the writer is a moron. The top of the line brz still weight only 2835.

03-20-2017, 05:32 PM	#16
Braces Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 17 Alfa Romeo 4C Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 987 Thanks: 570 Thanked 711 Times in 365 Posts Mentioned: 14 Post(s)	Having come from the original 13 FR-S and remembering just how that car loved to oversteer (which I liked btw). I'm pleasantly surprised that the FR-S was not involved in some mass recall due to the kids sliding and drifting all over the place. Like I did .... and I'm not a kid. Hehehe. __________________ My 2013 Firestorm Red 13 FRS is gone. Bought the next best thing: 2017 Alfa Romeo 4C

03-20-2017, 11:59 PM	#22
ToySub1946 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Drives: 15FRS, 05MustangGT, 85Toyota truck Location: Eureka, Ca. Posts: 573 Thanks: 672 Thanked 590 Times in 279 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s)	Problem is, they've moved the steering wheel to the opposite side of car...upsets the balance. Attached Images

03-21-2017, 12:04 AM	#24
Ultramaroon not playing cards Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: a 13 e8h frs Location: vantucky, wa Posts: 32,392 Thanks: 53,053 Thanked 37,228 Times in 19,308 Posts Mentioned: 1118 Post(s)	DGAF. Nothing but spring rate and valving changes. Want your 13 to feel like a 17? Buy a set of 17 springs/dampers from some kids who can't wait to ruin their new cars. __________________ service manuals

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