FRS/BRZ vs 2013 Base Mustang GT

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by detainu

So, where can you find a good used 4 seater airplane for $45,000? (FRS/$25,000-$70,000=$45,000/good 4 seat airplane) Hmmmmmm??

trade-a-plane. You can easily get a C-172 for $45K and it will make a huge down payment on just about any used 4 seater. There are 192 4-seaters right now listed there between $20K and $50K. You never pay list price for the plane. Also, remember that planes are required to go through annual inspections and had recommended rebuild times, so buying a 30 year old plane is a lot different than buying a 30 year old car, although as with anything you need a full inspection.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by detainu

Lol, ok, if you say so

You can choose to believe me or not, your choice, this is the Internet after all.

Bottom line is there are folks in this world that don't buy things just because they can afford them, but because it fits their needs. If you can't see that, well, OK.

:happy0180:

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

Im sorry but i had to laugh at this absolutely hilarious...this is the best thread ever on this site....

Happy we could entertain you.

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

So i guess the FRS outhandles the ZL1 to huhh..

In a straight line or on a track, no. In the real world, I would say yes depending on your definition of "outhandles". For me, the ZL1 is not a DD driver candidate, which was what I was after.

I agree that the Mustang V6 or the GT would make decent daily drivers, and would be OK with either, and have one in the family as MomHawk is the Mustang fan. Like the ZL1, the GT500 and the Shelbys don't meet that definition for me.

Again, different 4-strokes for different folks. There's lots of cars I can afford that I would consider better in one way or the other than the FR-S, but that doesn't mean I would want to DD them, or would want to pay the price differential.

[Nezz]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

You can choose to believe me or not, your choice, this is the Internet after all.

Bottom line is there are folks in this world that don't buy things just because they can afford them, but because it fits their needs. If you can't see that, well, OK.

:happy0180:

Locally I could have bought an XR6 Falcon. Nice car. But I doubt the longevity of my licence in one, where I can have fun a lot more slowly in an 86.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

Lol really? You have a pilots license? Thats epic. Someday im gonna fly helicopters

Your wife would let you buy a plane?

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but yes. I'm not current, which is one of the reasons I'm looking at purchasing a plane. Got tired of renting.

MomHawk has no problems with me having a set of wings. In fact, I have a plane in my basement (a 2 seater kit plane) I've been working on for several years in my "spare" time.

I started off down the helicopter route (it really is my first love) but it's over twice as expensive as a fixed wing hobby. I do have some time in one, as well as gliders (traditional and hang gliders), and gyroplanes.

None of it like the professional and military pilots that I know we have a few of on the forum. I'm a rank amateur, but do enjoy it.

[Grateful Dave]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

Ok sorry for your injuries, about that technology you speak of....dont confuse this A/T with a GTR type tranny because that aint the case. This car got mauled on the track against the Renault with that setup,because of its super tall gears for economy,true it still may not have won with the manual but it would have put up a much better fight.The bottom line is the Ft86/BRZ/FRS A/T is a economy version and the manual is the performance car so they are totally different cars as far as driving dynamics go im sorry if im hurting people's feelings but the auto is for economy and looks nothing more.

I'm not confused. I'm just stating for an automatic, it works great!

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

Ok sorry for your injuries, about that technology you speak of....dont confuse this A/T with a GTR type tranny because that aint the case. This car got mauled on the track against the Renault with that setup,because of its super tall gears for economy,true it still may not have won with the manual but it would have put up a much better fight.The bottom line is the Ft86/BRZ/FRS A/T is a economy version and the manual is the performance car so they are totally different cars as far as driving dynamics go im sorry if im hurting people's feelings but the auto is for economy and looks nothing more.

BS. I opened many eyes at the track with the steptronic 335i versus all comers at BMWCCA events and intend to do the same with this car. Manuals are dinosaurs in a world of sequential gearboxes.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i know what comes with the track package. i dont understand why you say mentioning the gt does not hold weight. i use money to buy cars so thats usually a pretty important factor to me. im not quite sure what you are saying

Meaning that "pricing" alone is not a merit to compare cars with. If that's the case, why don't people compare something like an Ariel Atom to a 370z. I think they cost close to the same (can't remember the AA's price).

These two cars GT and the Twins are not in the same category.

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

So i guess the FRS outhandles the ZL1 to huhh..

What?! What the hell are you talking about? How did you infer anything like this from my post?

All I was saying is that the guy had the option of buying an expensive performance car (that others here have called oversized), but he decided to buy a less expensive FRS and do other things with the money he saved. Why is this such a difficult concept?

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by titusdrake

Btw, Ford has perfected the live rear axle. I have no problems keeping my girl in line.

Really, what possessed you to post a picture of your car? It's stock and nothing special

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

Dude your 2005 is nothing like the the 2011+ models and that includes the V6's theirs not a single parameter where its better and that includes drivability so what your saying holds 0 weight why would you even compare them or use 4.6 as a reference to the new cars? I had 2 Lincolns with the 4.6 modulars and they both blew up from just normal driving within a few months apart and they were taken care of properly.If that 4.6 isnt a terminator that means its the biggest joke for a V8 since GM's crappy ass 307's and 305's.

Isn't there a known transmission issue with the new Stangs? It's either the rear end or the tranny that I heard.

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

Well your mustang anology is a bit off...the V6 on boost is capable of beating all of them, a GT with just bolt ons and and a lil dope will run with or beat a Shelby depending on the dose...just a lil food for thought...

That would be modified cars vs stock ones.

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

Well your mustang anology is a bit off...the V6 on boost is capable of beating all of them, a GT with just bolt ons and and a lil dope will run with or beat a Shelby depending on the dose...just a lil food for thought...

The point is, you can choose to get spun up over what model is the fastest on paper, but there's always something faster. And if there isn't this year, there will be next year.

I understand your tuning example, but not everyone is a tuner. Aftermarket parts hurt vehicle resale. food for thought as well.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by sdiver68

You sir are a troll who is misleading anyone reading this thread. Why do you even post when you have no clue what you are talking about? Seriously your arguments are simply wrong. A grand touring tire versus a very well reviewed performance tire seriously? and you call the Prius tires better? Hahahahaha only if you ignore the huge performance gap. If you care about dry track performance you make that trade every single time.

Troll or not,$400 tires are not making the frs faster than the mustang gt

[phillip]

Originally Posted by sdiver68

BS. I opened many eyes at the track with the steptronic 335i versus all comers at BMWCCA events and intend to do the same with this car. Manuals are dinosaurs in a world of sequential gearboxes.

Was this the automatic or the DCT cause there's a big difference there...

[alyon]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

Well if thats the case most of the guys say the Mustangs are not stock with the track packs...but are modified,when in reallity it was just smart on Fords part to have it as a factory option.

In reality the PP is only fitted on 1 in 50 mustangs. It also provides a very significant performance advantage changing out the suspension, sway bar, struts, diff, wheels/tires, and brakes. So saying PP v6 performs better than an frs is fair. Saying all v6 mustangs do is not.


Now if we are talking about the 5.0 that a whole different story.