FRS/BRZ vs 2013 Base Mustang GT

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Yes. I had a long list of cars and a couple of trucks, sports cars to luxury performance cars, I was shopping at the same time that have no likely connections and were in the $20K to $70K price range. I typically only buy a new car every 10 years or so as a DD, so I have a rather eclectic way of shopping for one. The list boiled down to these as my top two.

In the end, the FR-S won me over because it just struck the right chords and the rest is history.

Also, with the money I saved between the two I can fund some of my other hobbies, like a good used 4 seater airplane I've been thinking about getting for a while, or maybe a Goldwing, the possibilities are endless.

Lol really? You have a pilots license? Thats epic. Someday im gonna fly helicopters

Your wife would let you buy a plane?

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[detainu]

So, where can you find a good used 4 seater airplane for $45,000? (FRS/$25,000-$70,000=$45,000/good 4 seat airplane) Hmmmmmm??

[titusdrake]

Btw, Ford has perfected the live rear axle. I have no problems keeping my girl in line.



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[detainu]

So, no joysticks for you Titus?

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by detainu

So, where can you find a good used 4 seater airplane for $45,000? (FRS/$25,000-$70,000=$45,000/good 4 seat airplane) Hmmmmmm??

http://www.aso.com/listings/spec/Vie...06&fAdvId=8778

4 seater. 19 grand

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[Nezz]

You guys in the US are damn well spoilt when it comes to choice, you've got the Camaro, Mustang, Challenger in the ponycar segment, you've got the FR-S and BRZ (and both are on sale, not just one!), you've got a lot of value in your midrange segment and you tend to get the fun models without importing them.

Either way you slice it, FR-S and Mustang are great buys for the money, I can understand picking either way. I've only got one choice, so 86 for me. (For reference, a new GT will run you ~$150k here)

[Tbomb 25]

Originally Posted by HotLava

I sold my 2005 Mustang GT manual transmission for the FR-S. For the past two years I was looking to switch from a MT car to an AT car. The 2013 'select shift' auto in the Mustangs gets terrible reviews. If you want a MT Mustang then that's fine. But for me the FR-S (short of the Lexus ISF) has one of the best ATs out there.

Keep this in mind, do you really need 420HP and a stick shift to go a 1/2 mile at 9 pm at night to get a half gallon of milk? I know that's a goofy question. But I once counted that it took me over seventy-five shifts to go about eight blocks to Office Depot on a Saturday morning in Los Angeles. At that point I had had enough of a powerful, lurching car. In bumper to bumper traffic I often had to wait until the car in front of me was about a 3/4 of a car length in front of me before enegaing the clutch. If I engaged quicker I'd have to hit the breakes again because a big V-8 just lurches forward (even at idle) and accelerates much faster than most street cars. You'll spend half your time on the brake so as not to rear end the normal cars on the road.

Dude your 2005 is nothing like the the 2011+ models and that includes the V6's theirs not a single parameter where its better and that includes drivability so what your saying holds 0 weight why would you even compare them or use 4.6 as a reference to the new cars? I had 2 Lincolns with the 4.6 modulars and they both blew up from just normal driving within a few months apart and they were taken care of properly.If that 4.6 isnt a terminator that means its the biggest joke for a V8 since GM's crappy ass 307's and 305's.

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Originally Posted by thill

I think the OP's point was price. I totally agree that these are very different cars, but I had dealers offering me $26K for 2012 Mustang GT's recently. You can find 2013 for around $28K and perhaps lower.

I guess his point is that, price wise, the Mustang GT should be in the running vs the BRZ/FRS if your budget it $28K or so. As would the 3.8L Gencoupe Rspec.

Bingo that was my point of this thread...

[Tbomb 25]

Originally Posted by Grateful Dave

No clutch, No credibility, Please! I bought this for my daily driver and driving for pleasure. This is not my track car. I have had a previous badly broken left leg and I have been driving a manual for 30 years. I work 12 hour days on my feet at a hospital doing xray. So at the end of the day, my shifting get really fatigued and my shifts start to suck and I'm hating it. I'm over manual transmission. The FRS provides a 6 speed automatic that is based on the Lexus IS-F minus 2 gears, made by Aisin. The AT has a manual mode with match revving capabilities controlled by paddle shifters or from the stick shift. There's a sport mode, and snow mode. It has 34mpg highway capabilities vs manual 30mpg. This is one high tech AT. You might say it's not double clutch, oh well, it works great, who cares. I was really reluctant to go with AT but I went for it. I want to keep this car for a long time. I have the best of both worlds. Now that I have driven my FRS over thousand miles, did I make the right choice for me? Hell Yes.
If you are going to track this car, manual all the way.
If you want to "have it all" when driving on the city streets or on mountains roads, I say go with the technology and go with the automatic. For all you purists, it is all right to drive the AT. Don't knock the FRS AT unless you drive it. You might like it.

Ok sorry for your injuries, about that technology you speak of....dont confuse this A/T with a GTR type tranny because that aint the case. This car got mauled on the track against the Renault with that setup,because of its super tall gears for economy,true it still may not have won with the manual but it would have put up a much better fight.The bottom line is the Ft86/BRZ/FRS A/T is a economy version and the manual is the performance car so they are totally different cars as far as driving dynamics go im sorry if im hurting people's feelings but the auto is for economy and looks nothing more.

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

This is always the salient point. When reading Vs. threads, one should always keep this in mind. I think if you're in the market for a car, you ought to explore as many options as possible, then go test drive them, do your research, and make the decision that best suits you.

But when you're in the 25k-35k price range, both of these models can be compared against each other. Both have their own advantages.


Edit: Just remember, folks, there is always something faster. The guy in the v6 stang dreams of GT, the guy in the GT dreams of Boss, the guy in the Boss dreams of Shelby. The guy in the Shelby dreams bigger, too.

Well your mustang anology is a bit off...the V6 on boost is capable of beating all of them, a GT with just bolt ons and and a lil dope will run with or beat a Shelby depending on the dose...just a lil food for thought...

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Originally Posted by sdiver68

Except the report of someone shaving 3 seconds off their lap times simply by changing tires. And my personal experience and probably the experience of anyone else out there with track time. And yes anyone can do what I did for no more than the cost of a tank of gasoline. And changing tires is still stock. You can ignore the printed comments of the test drivers if you wish, in my opinion the BRZ is faster on equal spec rubber.

Well if thats the case most of the guys say the Mustangs are not stock with the track packs...but are modified,when in reallity it was just smart on Fords part to have it as a factory option.

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Originally Posted by fatoni

All that shows us is that better tires make a car faster. What kind of tires do you get for a tank of gas? I'm not ignoring the comments i'm just confused as to why petiole make it sound like having great tires is a bad thing. Faster isn't a matter of opinion so I don't even know what to say about that last part. Either way, that was the v6 and we're talking about the gt so...

This so stay on topic remember the prices are the big factor in this thread....

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

There's a few guys on here that would argue about you needing the larger car as you get older, since they all bought the 86.

I was within a hare's breath of buying a Camaro (probably a ZL1, but was looking at the other end of the Camaro spectrum too) but decided to go with the FR-S instead. I like both sports and muscle cars so I would have been happy with either but I know I made the right choice for me.

Im sorry but i had to laugh at this absolutely hilarious...this is the best thread ever on this site....

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Why not? Buy ZL1 oversized fast car or buy FRS, have fun, have all kinds of money to play with.


Made the Shelby Cobra so iconic. I'm sure an LS powered RX-7 goes like stink

So i guess the FRS outhandles the ZL1 to huhh..