Recommendation regarding exhaust and headers

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by reynierpm

Any recommendation in South Florida? Any person dedicated to this kind of stuff?

Read up on the header and exhaust section in the link I posted in post #4 here. Once you understand some of the basics you will have a much better idea of what is happening and everything that is involved.

[bfrank1972]

1) Pick a good quality header, figure out what you want by searching here. Don't get caught up in EL vs UEL crap, pick a recommended header in your price range that sounds the way you want it to
2) Pick up a good axle back, probably side with one of the quieter ones if your header is not catted.
3) Buy an OFT, download the stage 2 map for UEL or EL depending on what you end up with, and flash it

Drive and see how you like it.

[guybo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

This^
Just keep in mind that a muffler delete or really loud system of any kind will be about the same as painting a glowing sign that says "HEY OFFICER PICK ME" on the car when driving around TO. I love me some loud exhaust but in much of Toronto you will become a target in a hurry.

OP is in Florida. No one will notice. I've had a really loud exhaust for the past 3 years and no one notices or cares. LOL here you probably stick out more if your car ISN'T loud!

-If you go catless you need a tune or you'll get a P0420 (and all the associated problems though you can get a code reader and Torque Pro and turn itoff) and your car won't make much power anyway. AFAIK there's no 2017 tune yet (correct me if I'm wrong).

-If you stay catted you still need a tune to make more power, but you won't set off a CEL for the P0420 (well, you may with a hi-flow cat, but not often). But you'll get all the sound. No cats=more power. Cats=Stage 1 tune. No cats= Stage 2 tune. Of course there's always custom tuning too....

-My suggestion is to wait until the tune is out there and you can go catless. Save yourself some money and gut the header and the secondary cat. It sounds awesome and even if you make ~5 HP less than a high end header, it is free and you have the added benefit of the OEM heat shielding which saves a lot of problems down the line. Plus the OEM header won't crack.

-There are lots of axle-back exhausts to choose from. I have the Berk dual exit muffler delete which is loud. There's much quieter ones from Borla and Magnaflow etc. Read up on this forum for options. I'm not sure how different the 17's are from gen 1 86's though.

If you're in the Tampa area, we have a meet coming up Saturday and you can hear several different setups there. https://www.facebook.com/groups/tampa86

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by reynierpm

What about if I want to increase power as well? Keep in mind I want a good sound but also more power if it's possible

Well now, reynierpm, may I ask, just what are you going to use an extra few HP for .. ??

I get the feeling you are relatively new to the sporty car world. Having said that, this car, right out of the box, most likely will exceed your driving capabilities, either at autoX or on a track or driving through the twisties. And that's OK ..... mine are exceeded also.

So, that leaves street driving. Nope, no matter what you do to the exhaust, you won't be able to beat out a Mustang.

That leaves, soccer moms driving SUVs and old men in Buicks. Even if you beat one of them at a light, the soccer mom won't notice because she is busy yelling at her kids and talking on her cell phone. The old man won't notice because he is trying to remember where he was going.

Plus, when you start modifying the exhaust (in front of an axle back muffler), it will take a tune to realize most gains. Then you start running up against possibly difficulties with warranty claims.

A axle (or cat back) muffler system can give you as much "sound" as you may wish to tolerate for average driving.

Now, keep in mind, humfrz is old ..... and ain't much fun no more .....


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

don't mean to hijack the thread, but if let's say I am planning on FI in the future, how should that affect my choices?

Originally Posted by Brayden_23

Header:
Is the header compatible with the turbo? Will the turbo kit require a completely different header purchase? Many turbos come with their own header.
If you buy one of the long tube headers that come up near the intake airbox, does it leave enough room for the supercharger/turbo to be mounted?

Exhaust:
2.5" is fine for NA, but 3" is recommended to maximize power from boost. Sometimes a turbo kit can be upgraded to include a header and full 3" exhaust that is proven to help maximize gains from that turbo. If this is an option, you could always just do a muffler delete to get some added noise now which is probably all you're looking for at the moment, then upgrade everything at once when you buy boost.

Make sure you do your research on these kinds of things ahead of time for any mod you intend to do. Always remember what your end goal is or you might end up spending more money than you would want

Originally Posted by Tcoat

This^
Just keep in mind that a muffler delete or really loud system of any kind will be about the same as painting a glowing sign that says "HEY OFFICER PICK ME" on the car when driving around TO. I love me some loud exhaust but in much of Toronto you will become a target in a hurry.

Originally Posted by guybo

OP is in Florida.

The guy who's question I was answering and elaborating on another response is in Toronto. They will notice if too loud.

[reynierpm]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Well now, reynierpm, may I ask, just what are you going to use an extra few HP for .. ??

Just for fun I am not gonna race my car or race myself in an event, so let's get rid of extra HP... for now

Originally Posted by humfrz

I get the feeling you are relatively new to the sporty car world. Having said that, this car, right out of the box, most likely will exceed your driving capabilities, either at autoX or on a track or driving through the twisties. And that's OK ..... mine are exceeded also.

You're complete right, this is my first sport car.

Originally Posted by humfrz

So, that leaves street driving. Nope, no matter what you do to the exhaust, you won't be able to beat out a Mustang.

That leaves, soccer moms driving SUVs and old men in Buicks. Even if you beat one of them at a light, the soccer mom won't notice because she is busy yelling at her kids and talking on her cell phone. The old man won't notice because he is trying to remember where he was going.

I'm not planning to beat a Mustang - BTW I considered the Mustang before get the 86 - not even a moms or old men - well sometimes I do because them are really slowwwwww lol - because incur in accidents here is a pain and I don't want to I prefer to keep a good behavior and stay away from police

Originally Posted by humfrz

Plus, when you start modifying the exhaust (in front of an axle back muffler), it will take a tune to realize most gains. Then you start running up against possibly difficulties with warranty claims.

A axle (or cat back) muffler system can give you as much "sound" as you may wish to tolerate for average driving.

Originally Posted by humfrz

Now, keep in mind, humfrz is old ..... and ain't much fun no more .....
humfrz

Don't worries

So having that the only thing I would like to add to my car is a loud sound coming from the exhaust and translated in mufflers so which one should I buy and add to my car in order to get a better sound?

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

So having that the only thing I would like to add to my car is a loud sound coming from the exhaust and translated in mufflers so which one should I buy and add to my car in order to get a better sound?

We cant exactly tell you. Everyone wants a different sound or level of loudness. If you have nothing to go on we vant help give you options. Spend time at meets and see what you like is the best thing to do. Youtube kinda helps but nothing sounds the same as in person really

Just make sure it is a catback as the axle back portion is different for 17+ so none out there right now will fit your car

[reynierpm]

Originally Posted by finch1750

We cant exactly tell you. Everyone wants a different sound or level of loudness. If you have nothing to go on we vant help give you options. Spend time at meets and see what you like is the best thing to do. Youtube kinda helps but nothing sounds the same as in person really

If you go back to the first post you'll see a video, that's how I want my car sounds like but as you may know already I am not an expert more a newbie so I don't know what to find so a help will be more than welcome. I have search and I got this results (go to videos if didn't go directly) but as you can see Mufflers are "tied" to exhaust so .... I am completely lost

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by reynierpm

If you go back to the first post you'll see a video, that's how I want my car sounds like but as you may know already I am not an expert more a newbie so I don't know what to find so a help will be more than welcome. I have search and I got this results (go to videos if didn't go directly) but as you can see Mufflers are "tied" to exhaust so .... I am completely lost

Ah, on work internet so the vid didnt show up

That sound comes from a full set-up (headers, front pipe, and cat back). Mufflers are part of the cat back. I would try the cat back first and see if you like the sound. Then add headers next since they are the biggest sound change and will add volume. Keeping the stock front pipe will keep sound in check. If it still isnt loud enough for you adding a dual resonated front pipe or catted front pipe will help.

I will say that setup sounds slightly higher pitched in person. If you just want just the sound without headers the single exit Tanabe concept G is fairly similar in tone imo if you want to look at that

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by reynierpm

If you go back to the first post you'll see a video, that's how I want my car sounds like but as you may know already I am not an expert more a newbie so I don't know what to find so a help will be more than welcome. I have search and I got this results (go to videos if didn't go directly) but as you can see Mufflers are "tied" to exhaust so .... I am completely lost

Hate to sound like a broken record but have you checked out the link I gave you? There is an exhaust section there that gives very good reviews and ideas on set ups. Asking "What one should I get?" will just end up with 200 guys telling you 200 setups that they like and you will be no further ahead in picking one. Like Finch said you need to hear them in person as well. Videos just do not convey how load and drony some can be and you could end up with something you hate.

[reynierpm]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Hate to sound like a broken record but have you checked out the link I gave you? There is an exhaust section there that gives very good reviews and ideas on set ups. Asking "What one should I get?" will just end up with 200 guys telling you 200 setups that they like and you will be no further ahead in picking one. Like Finch said you need to hear them in person as well. Videos just do not convey how load and drony some can be and you could end up with something you hate.

I understand and yes I have checked the link but that takes me on the main page of a series of post so I'm not sure which one are you talking about. So far I have take a look to a few videos and from this one:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYnGevbwQMI"]5 Best Exhausts for FRS, GT86 and BRZ (Road Legal) - YouTube[/ame]

I did like the FT86 Speed Factory (the 2nd on the video) and the GReddy Evo 3. Are those full system or I can achieve the same sound with Cat Backs only?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by reynierpm

I understand and yes I have checked the link but that takes me on the main page of a series of post so I'm not sure which one are you talking about. So far I have take a look to a few videos and from this one:

I did like the FT86 Speed Factory (the 2nd on the video) and the GReddy Evo 3. Are those full system or I can achieve the same sound with Cat Backs only?

You will never get the full sound with just a cat back. You can get louder and nicer tones with a cat back but the deep throaty rumble you hear is from a header with the cats removed.

[reynierpm]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You will never get the full sound with just a cat back. You can get louder and nicer tones with a cat back but the deep throaty rumble you hear is from a header with the cats removed.

By "deep throaty rumble" you mean the sound the car keeps after be on move?

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by reynierpm

By "deep throaty rumble" you mean the sound the car keeps after be on move?

Basically. After the rpms go up our car can sound like a 90s honda. UEL headers negate that a bit when paired with the right catback.