help me decide!!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by clipsedsm95

guy at the dealer called me to let me know the BRZ was delayed another 3 weeks but mentioned he had a black STI for 389 a month which is dirt cheap. Since my cousin needs my GTI by this weekend, since he is taking over the payments. I think the universe decided for me

To be very honest I think from your pro and cons list that is the better choice for you anyway. The BRZ is certainly not in the same realm and you have to really understand what it is all about or will be disappointed.

[clipsedsm95]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

To be very honest I think from your pro and cons list that is the better choice for you anyway. The BRZ is certainly not in the same realm and you have to really understand what it is all about or will be disappointed.

Yes definitely. Thank you very much for the help. Looking at things at a different view the car I always regretted getting rid of was my STI. The BRZ is awesome and as somebody else stated I should use those 8K to go forced induction. But sadly that runs into the issue of "what if" since I will be driving his car a lot anything crazier than simple bold ons just don't seem like a good idea. I will loose out on the push to start and a few of the things I have come to enjoy but the practicality of a 4 door AWD with some spare snow tires will be the better choice.

Thanks again everybody! It just happen to be the faith has made the decision for me! I am excited about another STI. Currently getting ready to pick it up if anybody cares for me to uodate I will thanks again everybody!

[KB_BRZ]

Originally Posted by clipsedsm95

2017 BRZ Limited
Things I love
-The looks. I think this car is beyond hot honestly
-I've aways wanted a RWD car
-last time I've owned a 2 door was when I was 16. I am 24 now so excited about that
-The true roots to a JDM car and all the possibilities of customization to it!
-Push to start

Things I am meh about
-This thing is slow. I've driven an FRS and I remember taking off but unlike my STI at the time it just never gave that pull it was just slow the whole time.
-I live in NY so snow is a huge concern to me as this will be my DD
-The lack in tech (I know it isn't a car for that but still stuff I like)


2017 STI Base
Things I love
-Fast
-Looks
-Handling
-The pride of owning this car
-AWD
-4 Door

Things I am meh about
-Lack of tech
-Since base no push to start will suck
-price is 8K more is it really worth it?
-Dinosaur EJ engine
-Fuel Economy Blows but not a deal breaker
-Should I wait for 2020+

Here is my input
Starters, sounds like you already made up your mind for the STI and your on the BRZ forums. For your Pros you have 'looks' in both so thats a wash. For the Cons you have 'lack of tech' on both so thats a wash too.

BRZ:
Pros - Rear wheel drive is great. You'll save 8k so you can 'customize' it since has true roots to JDM. Push to start contradicts what you were saying about lack of tech.
Cons - Its not slow by any means. Has sufficient power in both city and highway, and sure as hell puts a smile on my face every time in behind the wheel. *If you customize with your savings then that goes out the window. Snow can be solved with tires.

STI:
Pros - Fast/Handling, yes it has power but when do you really go 'fast'? handling, test drive the brz lol. Pride of ownership? you'll be proud either way. 4 door AWD, now we are talking. Yes it is easier to have four doors and put ppl in the back, but do you ever drive ppl around? AWD, doesn't solve your snow problem but rather helps with the right practices and tires.
Cons - Lack of tech since you have to get a base. Price + insurance. Dinosaur engine, it works and its proven. oh and it give you your 'POWER'. Fuel economy is relative to how you drive and you said no deal breaker so why is it a con? Should you wait for 2020, lol you need a car now and who knows if you don't want a minivan by then...

Bottom line is pick what you think is practical for both your passengers or cargo and what you really need the car for. I also am a firm believer in getting a car with all the bells and whistles for resale value. Whats a harder sell, fully loaded car or the basic? Good luck!

[clipsedsm95]

Originally Posted by KB_BRZ

Here is my input
Starters, sounds like you already made up your mind for the STI and your on the BRZ forums. For your Pros you have 'looks' in both so thats a wash. For the Cons you have 'lack of tech' on both so thats a wash too.

BRZ:
Pros - Rear wheel drive is great. You'll save 8k so you can 'customize' it since has true roots to JDM. Push to start contradicts what you were saying about lack of tech.
Cons - Its not slow by any means. Has sufficient power in both city and highway, and sure as hell puts a smile on my face every time in behind the wheel. *If you customize with your savings then that goes out the window. Snow can be solved with tires.

STI:
Pros - Fast/Handling, yes it has power but when do you really go 'fast'? handling, test drive the brz lol. Pride of ownership? you'll be proud either way. 4 door AWD, now we are talking. Yes it is easier to have four doors and put ppl in the back, but do you ever drive ppl around? AWD, doesn't solve your snow problem but rather helps with the right practices and tires.
Cons - Lack of tech since you have to get a base. Price + insurance. Dinosaur engine, it works and its proven. oh and it give you your 'POWER'. Fuel economy is relative to how you drive and you said no deal breaker so why is it a con? Should you wait for 2020, lol you need a car now and who knows if you don't want a minivan by then...

Bottom line is pick what you think is practical for both your passengers or cargo and what you really need the car for. I also am a firm believer in getting a car with all the bells and whistles for resale value. Whats a harder sell, fully loaded car or the basic? Good luck!

Thank you for the input and I've been ravin about the BRZ for weeks now actually but the fact that I have to wait another 3 weeks just put a damper on things. Going to the dealer now I know they have the yellow one but that color is deff not for me.

[strat61caster]

help me decide!!

[Tcoat]

LOL now we get to see who reads how far before replying!

[2013dgmbrzdood]

First off I don't see how you could even have a debate here if you are really concerned with snow / bad weather. The brz simply doesn't compare in anyway what so ever.

For me the bottom line is the brz is such a low center of gravity and so light it's a lot of fun right out of the box. For a more inexperienced driver it is plenty "Fast". This idea the brz can't handle anymore power or it will explode is silly. People act like the sti is some demon with a million horsepower. That being said a lot of people say oh I drove an sti and it felt big or heavy, no it's because it has hydraulic steering (man steering) and trying to say it's imprecise or a not sporting is full of it.

I think saying the ej25 is a dinosaur is stupid. It still makes double the torque stock that the brz makes and can make triple the torque with stock internals and no detriment to reliability. Most of it maybe an old design but so what, look at the low end torque and power it provides when turbo'ed. To clear up another thing if you think the brz engine na is more responsive than a hopped up ej25 (assuming no monster turbo) you are on the far side of wrong. The BRZ engine is a great amount of power to drive the car fast as can go, it however will never ever ever thrill you or feel fast in a straight line 150 lbs tq simple as that. The magic of the brz is in it's chassis and to have a good time one really doesn't need anymore than that.

Your best bet is to talk with some enthusiasts in person because posting here will just get you a bunch of biased people posting because you insult them by suggesting their car is slow or a different car can be just as great or more suited to your needs.

One last thought the brz engine is wonderful and serves a great purpose and nothing more is needed to make the car marvelous. There is however imo room for higher horsepower car with more heavy duty equipment. The brakes and PP are a step in the right direction. For me it really is about the performance parts that go hand in hand with longevity, thats what excites me.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by clipsedsm95

What would you suggest?

I would say a forester XT, but that's me.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Snow? Meh.

I'm not saying these cars CAN'T do snow...I know they can. There are better vehicles suited for snow though, and AWD subarus are basically known for being reliable in adverse conditions.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL now we get to see who reads how far before replying!

I almost posted 'just get the STI' after reading his comment about tuning an 86 to match a GTI.

OP seems like they will be much happier in the STI. Part of me wants to see what happens in the thread, part of me just wants it locked...

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Without a pile more work you will never get GTI acceleration out of a BRZ.

Unless that GTI has a DSG with launch control enabled from a dig it's not really that much faster but yes that max torque comes real quick below 2k rpm. I reckon with better tires at stock dimensions and a sportier clamping clutch the BRZ can get within half a car length in a drag.

Then again stage 1 chip for the GTI is quite cheap and then it will pull even in 5th gear.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I would say a forester XT, but that's me.






I'm not saying these cars CAN'T do snow...I know they can. There are better vehicles suited for snow though, and AWD subarus are basically known for being reliable in adverse conditions.

Yep. I helped push a STi out of the way on a snow covered road just the other week. Dude was a bit embarrassed that a guy in a FRS had to help get him unstuck. I highly recommended actual snow tires to him.
There is nothing wrong at all with RWD cars in the snow. There is always something that is "better" at anything so where is the cut off line?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

First off I don't see how you could even have a debate here if you are really concerned with snow / bad weather. The brz simply doesn't compare in anyway what so ever.

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Not true. See above post.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There is always something that is "better" at anything so where is the cut off line?

Where it confirms all of my life choice.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Where it confirms all of my life choice.

Well put!