FRS/BRZ vs 2013 Base Mustang GT

[detainu]

You chose an FRS over a ZL1?

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I was within a hare's breath

hair's breadth!

of buying a Camaro (probably a ZL1, but was looking at the other end of the Camaro spectrum too) but decided to go with the FR-S instead. I like both sports and muscle cars so I would have been happy with either but I know I made the right choice for me.

True story: I had a dream the other night, that I was tooling around in my new 426hp orange Camaro. But something didn't feel quite right...

Then I woke up and remembered that I don't own an oversized/overweight Camaro, but have a 6.0 liter LS2 RX-7 in the garage. That's about 10mph faster than a ZL-1 in the 1/4. Ah, all is right with the world again!

Sports car + V8 muscle = bliss...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by detainu

You chose an FRS over a ZL1?

Yes. I had a long list of cars and a couple of trucks, sports cars to luxury performance cars, I was shopping at the same time that have no likely connections and were in the $20K to $70K price range. I typically only buy a new car every 10 years or so as a DD, so I have a rather eclectic way of shopping for one. The list boiled down to these as my top two.

In the end, the FR-S won me over because it just struck the right chords and the rest is history.

Also, with the money I saved between the two I can fund some of my other hobbies, like a good used 4 seater airplane I've been thinking about getting for a while, or maybe a Goldwing, the possibilities are endless.

[shadoquad]

Originally Posted by detainu

You chose an FRS over a ZL1?

Why not? Buy ZL1 oversized fast car or buy FRS, have fun, have all kinds of money to play with.

Originally Posted by ZDan

Sports car + V8 muscle = bliss...

Made the Shelby Cobra so iconic. I'm sure an LS powered RX-7 goes like stink

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by ZDan

hair's breadth!

True, that is the more conventional version, but if you've ever been around rabbits, I prefer mine. I realize that doesn't make me right...

Originally Posted by ZDan

True story: I had a dream the other night, that I was tooling around in my new 426hp orange Camaro. But something didn't feel quite right...

Then I woke up and remembered that I don't own an oversized/overweight Camaro, but have a 6.0 liter LS2 RX-7 in the garage. That's about 10mph faster than a ZL-1 in the 1/4. Ah, all is right with the world again!

Sports car + V8 muscle = bliss...

I'll take one of each thanks.

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by fatoni

Here is why I think you are an idiot: those tires have a 300 tread wear while the stock tires have a 240 tread wear. I don't think downgrading your tires is going to make the car any faster

I'm going to resist the urge to reply ad hominem and instead point you to some educational facts that you can confirm with some decent google skills:

Treadwear rating is not indicative of grip and not comparable across brands.

The HTR Z III's are rated in the Max Performance Summer Category using Tirerack's category system. Look down 3 whole performance categories skipping past Ultra and High Performance to Grand Touring Summer tires which is where you find the Michelin Primacy HP. They also are the best rated and tested the highest for Dry traction in Tirerack's test of "Value" Max Performance tires, and have been highly recommended by many other sources as incredible bang-for-the-buck versus some of the legends in this category of tire. I'm not saying they are the end-all be-all, but they blow the Primacy out of the water when it comes to performance ratings and measurements.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by sdiver68

I'm going to resist the urge to reply ad hominem and instead point you to some educational facts that you can confirm with some decent google skills:

Treadwear rating is not indicative of grip and not comparable across brands.

The HTR Z III's are rated in the Max Performance Summer Category using Tirerack's category system. Look down 3 whole performance categories skipping past Ultra and High Performance to Grand Touring Summer tires which is where you find the Michelin Primacy HP. They also are the best rated and tested the highest for Dry traction in Tirerack's test of "Value" Max Performance tires, and have been highly recommended by many other sources as incredible bang-for-the-buck versus some of the legends in this category of tire. I'm not saying they are the end-all be-all, but they blow the Primacy out of the water when it comes to performance ratings and measurements.

im well aware that treadwear isnt an indexed scale but i think it goes farther than saying the htr is faster because it is in the "max performance" category. its not even like it matters. the htr z III isnt going to close the gap for the brz. how can you say they blow the primacy out of the water? again, you are providing zero facts so support what you say. when i go to tire rack and compare them, the michelin beats the sumi in htr in every single category

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by fatoni

im well aware that treadwear isnt an indexed scale but i think it goes farther than saying the htr is faster because it is in the "max performance" category. its not even like it matters. the htr z III isnt going to close the gap for the brz. how can you say they blow the primacy out of the water? again, you are providing zero facts so support what you say. when i go to tire rack and compare them, the michelin beats the sumi in htr in every single category

Now it sounds like you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Now it sounds like you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

while i dont mind it, i just dont think that we should let statements like that go unchecked. trying to pass selling the better tire to barely break even on worse tires that cost half as much like it is a good idea (with respect to performance or finance) is a good idea should be frowned upon. just go to tire rack and compare them

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by fatoni

while i dont mind it, i just dont think that we should let statements like that go unchecked. trying to pass selling the better tire to barely break even on worse tires that cost half as much like it is a good idea (with respect to performance or finance) is a good idea should be frowned upon. just go to tire rack and compare them

Problem is though that you stated, or appear to state that Max performance rated tires are not going to out perform Gran Touring. Come on man, that part is across the board. Tires are placed in these categories for a reason. And Max performance is going to walk on Gran Touring all day.

Aside from that, the track package on the V6 comparison, you know is more than just better tires on the Mustang right? It has upgraded sway bars, a gear change and a few other stuff, over the base model V6. Why this OP mentioned the GT just because of pricing does not hold weight. There are plenty of cars that cost the same, but are completely different tools to the road.

Mustang = American way of doing things...Take a Sledgehammer to it and destroy everything.

BRZ/FR-S = Japanese way of doing things....precise surgical precision taking your time to carve every detail out.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Problem is though that you stated, or appear to state that Max performance rated tires are not going to out perform Gran Touring. Come on man, that part is across the board. Tires are placed in these categories for a reason. And Max performance is going to walk on Gran Touring all day.

Aside from that, the track package on the V6 comparison, you know is more than just better tires on the Mustang right? It has upgraded sway bars, a gear change and a few other stuff, over the base model V6. Why this OP mentioned the GT just because of pricing does not hold weight. There are plenty of cars that cost the same, but are completely different tools to the road.

Mustang = American way of doing things...Take a Sledgehammer to it and destroy everything.

BRZ/FR-S = Japanese way of doing things....precise surgical precision taking your time to carve every detail out.

i know what comes with the track package. i dont understand why you say mentioning the gt does not hold weight. i use money to buy cars so thats usually a pretty important factor to me. im not quite sure what you are saying

[detainu]

Just seems fishy, that's all.

Originally Posted by shadoquad

Why not? Buy ZL1 oversized fast car or buy FRS, have fun, have all kinds of money to play with.


Made the Shelby Cobra so iconic. I'm sure an LS powered RX-7 goes like stink

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by fatoni

while i dont mind it, i just dont think that we should let statements like that go unchecked. trying to pass selling the better tire to barely break even on worse tires that cost half as much like it is a good idea (with respect to performance or finance) is a good idea should be frowned upon. just go to tire rack and compare them

You sir are a troll who is misleading anyone reading this thread. Why do you even post when you have no clue what you are talking about? Seriously your arguments are simply wrong. A grand touring tire versus a very well reviewed performance tire seriously? and you call the Prius tires better? Hahahahaha only if you ignore the huge performance gap. If you care about dry track performance you make that trade every single time.

[detainu]

Lol, ok, if you say so

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Yes. I had a long list of cars and a couple of trucks, sports cars to luxury performance cars, I was shopping at the same time that have no likely connections and were in the $20K to $70K price range. I typically only buy a new car every 10 years or so as a DD, so I have a rather eclectic way of shopping for one. The list boiled down to these as my top two.

In the end, the FR-S won me over because it just struck the right chords and the rest is history.

Also, with the money I saved between the two I can fund some of my other hobbies, like a good used 4 seater airplane I've been thinking about getting for a while, or maybe a Goldwing, the possibilities are endless.